Homeopathic remedy for nerve problem

[SueC]

Beanie who is injured in one wing and one leg, is not showing much improvement despite the neuron med that she is taking daily.

She can stand and wobble a bit but has the tendency to tip forward.

I read from some earlier threads that Bellodonna helps with nerve damage. Before rushing off to purchase this product, I just want to confirm its use and the dosage which I should give to her.

Appreciate reply and any advice to help her with her problem.

Thanks!
Suzanna

[Feefo]

Hi Suzanna,

This is from the booklet "Homeopathic Treatment for Birds" by Beryl M Chapman, I will copy the section in full in case any of the different scenarios/modalities apply to other rescues who could be helped.

Paralysis

If the bird is quiet and frail with little movement in the legs or wings (Often due to shock or weakness) give Gelsenium 30, 3 or 4 times a day for 2 days.

If it is trembling, tries to move but falls over because its balance is impaired, use Argentum Nit 30 and dose as above.

If the trouble is due to a blow on the lower back give Arnica 30 as above.

If the nerves have been injured (leg seems all right but the bird cannot use it) give Ignatia 200, 1 per day for up to 4 days. If necessary continue dosing but space out once every three days. Stop at 10 doses or drop to 30 potency.

In other cases that have begun with Arnica, where the joints are stiff use Sulphur 30 twice a day for 3 or 4 days.

If there is lameness, trembling and twitching of muscles and the feet jerking, use Zinc Met 6.

If the joints are swollen and shiny in appearance: the bird lame with trembling and twitching, use Manganum Acet 6 twice a day for a few days. Zinc and Mang alternate very well.

Hope this helps.

Cynthia

[pdpbison]

Hi Suzanna,


As a Homeopathic, these come in tiny 'balls' ir tiny pills...and contain, in fact, only a minute amount of their name-sake.

These medicines are mysterious, in the sense that their minute actual Botanical or other contents are understood to have genunine influence or effects. This effectively makes their dosage quite safe from mishap.

I recall, for my having got some of the Homeopathic Belladona for my probable PMV Bird, that three tiny pills, twice-a-day was the advice as for dosage.

The family of "B" Vitamines are benificial for nerve-related convelesents. Or a good liquid mullti-vitamine even...which contains them

I am useing the 'Goji Berries' of course...(popular in china mostly...)

I am trying to find out more about Chlorella, which is an algae, very popular in Japan.

I have been coating Seeds with it and mixing it in 'Soups' and I will soon get some small Tablets I can 'pop' instead, for occasions where it might help in a larger amount such as that.

I am guessing...that it should be fine for Birds, and will try and find out more on that...seems like it would be. It contains many things valuable to Birds or anyone getting well from illness or recovering from injury. You can find out more with a fast 'google'.


Tired now!

Time for sleep...

Good Luck with Beanie..!


Phil
Las Vegas

[Feefo]

Hi Phil,

Homeopathic pilules all look identical but come in different potencies. The number after the name represents the potency that is recommended for a particular treatment.

To achieve the different potencies the homeopathic pharmacist takes the substance (eg belladona) and makes it into a liquid. One drop of the liquid is added to 100 drops of alcohol and agitated. That is the first potency. Then a drop of that mixture is taken, added to 100 drops of alcohol and agitated to form the second potency and so on up to 200. Although the highest potencies would have the least trace of the original substance in them they are the most dynamic and not normally used by beginners.

It is not the quantity taken that matters but the repition. The same dose can be given to a big bird like a swan or to a wren.

Since homeopathy treats the whole body there are not specific functions to each remedy such as a "homeopathic antidepressant". A homeopath will usually look at the whole picture that is being presented rather than at the condition itself, though the symptoms associated with a condition in a particular individual would be a guide to the choice of remedy.

Cynthia

[Skyeking]

Hi Suzanna,

The dosage for Belladonna is two small tablets (small pigeon) three times a day for youngsters. For large birds it is three tablets per day. After two days go to only one dose per day. Use for several days and re-evaluate the bird.

There are inferior products available as there are with any product, please find a health food store that carries quality products that are made of the highest standards. Belladonna has gotten a bad name because of missuse and inferior brands.

We also recommend an avian muli vitamin with B Complex which is the "nerve" vitamin and extra calcium. The calcium helps to calm and should also have phospohorus and other minerals for absorption. They need as much B-complex as they can get as it is also depleted with nerve issues.

My rehabber recently treated a duck with head twisting with colloidal silver (Sovereign Silver) garlic, Bellodonna, and upped the vitamin intake with an avian vitamin called Vitaflight. She has also treated pigeons successfully with nerve issues, paralyses, successfully. The birds have never been diagnosed, but showed the classic symptoms of nerve damage.


Treesa

[feralpigeon]

Excellent post on the homeopathic dose values Cynthia. Chapman's book
looks like an invaluable resource for someone wishing to use homeopathic remedies for birds. Thank you for underscoring the dose rates.

[SueC]

Wow, this is very valuable information.

Thank you for all your advices.

One more question - can we use human grade remedies for the birds? We have a limited supply of homeopathic remedies here for them and I'm not sure if I can get any.

Suzanna

[Feefo]

Hi Suzanna,

The same pilules are used for humans and animals. It is the potency that counts. I would use the 30 potency as it is safer.

I usually go to a homeopathic dispenser rather than buy the remedies over the counter. Here in the UK they will usually be happy to discuss the correct potency with you.

It is important not to let homeopathic pills get contaminated by contact with any other substance so you don't hold them in your hand. They are placed on paper as they leave the bottle.

A human would normally hold the pilule under the tongue to dissolve and absorb it. Since we can't ask animals to do that I crush the pilule between two teaspoons and give it in powdered form.


Cynthia

[SueC]

Hi Cynthia,

Thank you very much for the info.

I've found a store that sells homeopathic products and hope that they have bellodonna there.

Once again, thank you for the advice on how homeopathic products should be handled.

Hope Beanie's condition can improve with the treatment.

Cheers,
Suzanna

[SueC]

Dear All,

I have just obtained a small bottle of Belladonna. The size of the each pilule is only about 1mm. The homeopathic specialist said to give the bird 10 to 15 pilules per dosage.

2 tablets each time were mentioned in Treesa's reply above and in some of the earlier posts in the forum. So by giving Beanie 10 pilules, will she be over dosed? Or was it the size of the tablets as being larger and hence a lesser no. is required?

Would appreciate some advice.

Thanks!
Suzanna

[Feefo]

Hi Sue,

As I mentioned before it is not the size of the dose but the frequency that matters. You can't overdose on homeopathic pills because all they have in them is sugar and the energy that (in this case) the Belaldonna left behind when diluted.

15 to 20 does sound extreme though...2 is the most I have ever used.

Do you know what the potency is?

Cynthia

[SueC]

Hi Cynthia,

The potency is 30.

I guess I'll just give 2 to Beanie twice a day and see how she goes.

Thanks!
Suzanna

[Feefo]

I think that will work well!

Cynthia

[pdpbison]

Hi Cynthia,


My little 'Crow Baby', the little Pigeon who survived a pretty rough Crow attack...

Nine weeks now since that event...(I think ) and...

When he gets really excited and happy about something, he twists or twirls Clockwise, and, if you gently restrain him, his head and neck continue to do so as far as they can.

Always Clockwise.

Oddly, even when excited and twisting like this, if he decides to Fly, he flys perfectly, and with agility in flight and landings and so on. A very nimble and able indoor flier.

So, any ideas Homeopathy wise, as for his twisting-twirling when he gets excited?

Otherwise he walks, and does everything normally for a Pigeon, except for this twisting, and only does it if excited about food.

Since, for now, pending a prosthetic being affixed to maybe let him peck effectively, he eats via me doing Seed-Pops, and his excitement about this, or getting excited wishing TO peck when I set Seeds out, are the occasions of his twirling and twisting...

When pecking, he pecks normally except of course for his Beak injury which makes it hard for him to get any Seeds...but he pecks all the time grazing calmly with the other Birds here, with never a twist...


Thanks...

Phil
Las Vegas

[Skyeking]

If this is a large pigeon you might want to start with three of the 30X, a cockatiel size bird would get 2. The amount does matter if the bird is large or much smaller.

Treesa