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11th January 2009, 04:15 AM
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Breeder DiedI walked into my breeding loft yesterday, and one of my cocks was died on the floor, he had just died his body was still worm. none of my birds showed any signs of sickness. What do you think would cause this, this bird is only 3 years old?
He had babies to feed, I hope the hen can take care of them alone. the babies are about 14 days old. Last edited by Lovelace; 11th January 2009 at 04:17 AM. 
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11th January 2009, 04:39 AM
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The best way to find out the cause of death would be an autopsy. But even that doesn't always explain it. We have had several hens die suddenly over the years but only one cock, all the autopsy showed up for him was a pleural effusion.
"Fit to Win" by Dr Wim Peters has a whole chapter on acute pigeon death (APD)...he says the possible causes are numerous and include trauma, poisoning and disease. The more common and important diseases that can cause sudden death in adult birds are listed as: E. coli infection, Streptococcus bovis, paratyphoid, adenovirus type II and canker. Can you help the hen out with some hand feeding if necessary? Cynthia
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11th January 2009, 06:01 AM
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An autopsy would be the only way to know for sure, if that would even tell you. Sometimes "s***" happens...............sorry to hear it. I've only had a couple birds die like that and I have no idea what happened. No other birds got sick and/or died........just a mystery.
Far as the babies, at their age, I think Mom will take care of them IF she's not about to lay another set of eggs. If she does that, she's doing to leave the eggs to feed the babies........so guess what?? Just keep an eye on them and her and see how it goes. Got any other birds that could take the babies? I just fostered one out yesterday........I'll have to tell about it later when I have time. Good luck.
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11th January 2009, 02:11 PM
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Sudden ?First of all, sorry for your loss, I was not going to post what had happened to me yesterday untill reading this thread. As usual I feed my birds in the morning doing my usual checks and all was fine, when I went out for the evening feeding I found one of my hens laying in her nest up against the wall, she had pasted during the day. The pair also had one squab that is roughly one month old, so far I have seen the cock is taking care of it, things seem well in that manner. I called a good friend that has had birds for 25 years years, he told me that it could have started with just a cold and a scratch in her throat that went on to be somthing she just could't fight off.
I did not see this coming and all my other birds are fine, two days ago I cleaned all cages and washed down all feed and water bowls, this is done almost weekly on the day. There was only one sign of trouble found at death and that was a thin film of blood in the mouth, no canker whatsoever, as much as I do not like to do it she will get a full autopsy next weekend. For now she will be missed with no reason.>Kevin
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11th January 2009, 02:52 PM
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Lovelace and Patterson...
Do either of you have mice in your loft this winter?
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11th January 2009, 04:08 PM
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Mice carry salmonilla which can make Pigeons very ill. Given birds pretend to be feeling fine, even when they are sick, this one may have been sick and you wouldn't have noticed. It's very hard to keep rodents, especially mice, out of the loft because they are attracted to the feed and the mice are so small they can get through such tiny holes.
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12th January 2009, 04:31 AM
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SalmonillaThere is no doubt that I have mice in the fire wood piles outside by the bird feeder, I have two yorkies and a dach hound that will not stop whining when they smell just one, they have to have it. I take the dach hound into the loft with me and she has never smelled any yet, she would if there was any. I am not saying there is none at all but I would be surprised, I also wash the water bowls in a bleach soulution and the feed containers are emptied daily and refilled, I use the left over food (picky eaters) to feed the outside birds. If salmanilla was a factor I am sure there would be a lot more dying birds around and I would be in a major panic.
I am not going to ignore this warning and as I already am, going to keep a very close watch on everything including mice. Thank you Charis for posting your concerns.>Kevin
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