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Posted 14th November 2011, 02:34 PM
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Hello all, I got this hen that is a Len Boers that did pretty darn good for me this year. I'm going to breed her and am wondering what crosses well with those type of birds? I had originally planned on putting her with a Fabry-Janssen but am now thinking they don't really complement each other.


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Hello all, I got this hen that is a Len Boers that did pretty darn good for me this year. I'm going to breed her and am wondering what crosses well with those type of birds? I had originally planned on putting her with a Fabry-Janssen but am now thinking they don't really complement each other.
I would find out what made the bird and try to keep that going.
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Hello Sho-Time Loft, I am working with Leen Boers as well! Beautiful pigeons, beautiful blue color, gorgeous eyes and wonderful body type! Next season will be my first season racing, but I've been rasing pigeons and homers for a long time and have been studying racing for a number of years. As far as Leen Boers go, they are renowned sprint pigeons and often shine at races less than 300 miles. What was the distance in which they were doing good for you and are you going to be racing in the same range in the future? If so I'd stick to other sprint strains or simply more Leen Boers. Fabry's are known for long distance races, so you are working with opposites in my opinion. However, genetics are genetics and you never know what you are going to get, but sticking with "what you know" you have better chance breeding "what you expect." Just my opinion though, I am interested in updates as im working with the same strain!
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Leen Boers are Janssen based. Europeans as well as many top fliers in the U.S. including myself place little emphasis on "strains". We are more concerned about race results and pairing top proven performance birds together than what strain a bird is.

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Leen Boers are Janssen based. Europeans as well as many top fliers in the U.S. including myself place little emphasis on "strains". We are more concerned about race results and pairing top proven performance birds together than what strain a bird is.

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Same here.
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Dennis, if you can afford buying proven performance birds, by all means that is the way to go, performance doesnt lie. But, just because of personal preference, id try to breed a certain body type for the distance and conditions being raced under. For example, in humans, Kenyans are renowned for long distance running, Jamaicans are known for sprinting; in horses, Thorough Bred horses are known to be the best for the quick races at the track, while Arabian horses dominant endurance races, etc.
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Well one guy gave me all Leen Boers. They were my first birds at 100 miles, 300 miles, 200 miles, and one was my only day bird at 250 miles but that ones a cock and I'm not breeding from him he wasn't very impressive.

Its hard not to incorporate "strain" naming the strain gives me an insight on a bird and what its expected to do distance wise. I also read that some type of birds cross in real well with another type like Staf Van Reet x Hofken, Janssen x Fabry did awesome for me, Devriendt x Janssen.

If I were to pair them up based on performance it would be a good air, but on body type it just doesn't seem right to me.... maybe I will look for something special at our auction.
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Dennis, if you can afford buying proven performance birds, by all means that is the way to go, performance doesnt lie. But, just because of personal preference, id try to breed a certain body type for the distance and conditions being raced under. For example, in humans, Kenyans are renowned for long distance running, Jamaicans are known for sprinting; in horses, Thorough Bred horses are known to be the best for the quick races at the track, while Arabian horses dominant endurance races, etc.
That is what makes pigeon racing enjoyable. A fancier is the king of his loft, "the boss" so to speak. You may bring in and breed whatever body type or strain you prefer. Success is measured on race day if you race, or shows if you show your birds during the offseason. I personally prefer the non-standard colors and playing with genetics as well as being competitive racing. If you want to breed a certain body type or strain, so be it. You pay the feed bill and are the master breeder of your own loft. A fancier's enjoyment is what counts the most, and every fancier takes pride and enjoyment from different aspects this hobby has to offer. Your persistence of breeding a body type of your personal preference is what creates a new line or strain of birds if they are successful in competition for many years to come. Sounds like you are well on your way with your personal standards on your birds already in place.

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Well one guy gave me all Leen Boers. They were my first birds at 100 miles, 300 miles, 200 miles, and one was my only day bird at 250 miles but that ones a cock and I'm not breeding from him he wasn't very impressive.

Its hard not to incorporate "strain" naming the strain gives me an insight on a bird and what its expected to do distance wise. I also read that some type of birds cross in real well with another type like Staf Van Reet x Hofken, Janssen x Fabry did awesome for me, Devriendt x Janssen.

If I were to pair them up based on performance it would be a good air, but on body type it just doesn't seem right to me.... maybe I will look for something special at our auction.
That is a good point. But some people only look for the strain name and not so much for the success of that particular fancier and the bird, it's parents, and siblings.

I also like to know what strain my birds are for the sake of what they SHOULD be good at and what SHOULD cross well with them. I just like pedigrees in general so I can see what the ancestors were. But really it all comes down to the individual bird. Some say you aren't supposed to cross a sprint pigeon with a long distance bred pigeon. But I did and ended up with good birds. So you never know until you try! One thing I'm not a huge fan of is trying to keep strains pure. Some of the older ones it is kind of hard to say no to keeping them "pure", but If I see a good bird I like that I think will improve things, I'm going to bring it in regardless of the strain. As of now, when people ask what strains I breed, the easiest thing I can tell them is "heinz 57" LOL. A little bit of this, that, and everything in between.
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That is what makes pigeon racing enjoyable. A fancier is the king of his loft, "the boss" so to speak. You may bring in and breed whatever body type or strain you prefer. Success is measured on race day if you race, or shows if you show your birds during the offseason. I personally prefer the non-standard colors and playing with genetics as well as being competitive racing. If you want to breed a certain body type or strain, so be it. You pay the feed bill and are the master breeder of your own loft. A fancier's enjoyment is what counts the most, and every fancier takes pride and enjoyment from different aspects this hobby has to offer. Your persistence of breeding a body type of your personal preference is what creates a new line or strain of birds if they are successful in competition for many years to come. Sounds like you are well on your way with your personal standards on your birds already in place.

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I totally agree! Good post! First to hatch, as far as breeding goes I dont only breed for body type, but I look for it. I just picked up a Jansen that placed 7th vs 1170 birds at 150 miles and 17th vs 300 birds at 300 miles, I like his body type and he obviously did better at the sprint distance. So, for these two reasons he will be going with a Leen Boer hen and has just a slightly larger body than my Leen Boer hen. I've never owned a Fabry, but I imagine they would feel similar to the Muelemans I owned just because of what they are known for, so in my loft I probably wouldnt pair it with my Leen Boers, but as Dennis said, everybodys the master of their own loft and thats what makes it fun. Good luck with whatever route you take, im sure the birds will do well
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My Fabrys are very big birds. I kind of want to pair all my distance birds with speed birds, I'm told those don't always do well though. The Fabry cock and that Leen Boers hen both did awesome in the 300 mile races. So I don't know, good thing I have time to decide.
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Hey do you have any pics of the Leen Boers and Fabrys in the same picture? Would be interesting to see their body types! If they both did well at the 300, id say try it! Here is a picture of one of Leen Boer cocks (back left) and a Janssen cock (front). The Leen Boers are from Janssens, but this cock is slightly large but will be a very good match I think.
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I totally agree! Good post! First to hatch, as far as breeding goes I dont only breed for body type, but I look for it. I just picked up a Jansen that placed 7th vs 1170 birds at 150 miles and 17th vs 300 birds at 300 miles, I like his body type and he obviously did better at the sprint distance. So, for these two reasons he will be going with a Leen Boer hen and has just a slightly larger body than my Leen Boer hen. I've never owned a Fabry, but I imagine they would feel similar to the Muelemans I owned just because of what they are known for, so in my loft I probably wouldnt pair it with my Leen Boers, but as Dennis said, everybodys the master of their own loft and thats what makes it fun. Good luck with whatever route you take, im sure the birds will do well
I think what I would look for here is not the name, looks of the birds etc. I think the important information here is a top 10 against 1170 birds and a top 10% against 300 birds. This is a bird I would breed into my stock. Look for birds like this. You can find a lot of birds that flew really well and may not have won etc. Like this one.
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Well ok I'm lousy with names, The man that runs Pigeon radio puts his Leen Boers with Fabry's and says he does real good with them.
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