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16th October 2009, 04:18 AM
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 I will try my vet first. I will try to post some better quality pictures later, if I manage to get some better pictures. Still if it's not Trichomonas, will the medicine do any harm to the pigeon? Could it be something else, or not? 
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#47
16th October 2009, 05:02 AM
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Trichomonas, Coccidiosis and worms. These are parasites that every pigeon have. They do no harm to healthy pigeon, but in time of stress, starvation or illness they become a problem. Treating your bird will do no harm, only good.
All these parasites are harmless for humans and other animals. They are bird related and they deprive bird of nutritions. This is main reason plumage to show slow growth, lack of color or complete bald patches as you can see on your pigeon. After treatment, good feeding and vitamis will speed up recovery. P.S. All medications must be given in exact dosages to be of help. Overdose may harm bird's health, underdosing does not help. Last edited by plamenh; 16th October 2009 at 05:05 AM.
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#48
16th October 2009, 10:06 AM
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So I went to my vet with a paper with what you said I should buy.
He gave me a prescription for entizol (I bought it already) to give him for 7 days. It contains metronidazolum, one tablet 250 mg. The vet said to give him one quarter of a tablet per day in a syringe with water. He said to dilute it in no more then 2ml of water, maybe 1ml if it works. He also said to give him 3-4 times per day this quarter from the syringe. Should I start today or tomorrow? Today is already evening (19.00pm), so I would have to give it to him in maybe 2 doses. Is the concentration OK for him? Would it be too much or should I wait until tomorrow? I also bought him 2 types of vitamins. 1) they look like really small candies and they contain: A, D3, E, B1, B2, B6, B12, K3, CA and some other vitamins or minerals (they're written in Czech). I gave him about 30, I hope he will eat them since they are in colours, he likes coloured things. How much should I give him? 2) it's a vitamin powder, it's actually written that they are for exotic birds and pigeons.They contain: A, D3, E, Cu, fosfor, sodium, calcium. these are: http://translate.google.cz/translate...%3Den%26sa%3DG How much should I give him and how? Should I give him from both types of vitamins? Earlier we let him fly, he managed to fly upper and upper, where he wanted, he is getting stronger. The neck looks a bit better, under the wings he is still very bold.
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#49
16th October 2009, 12:03 PM
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Metronidazole dosage is 25-50 mg per pigeon per day - for 4-6 days. I would rather give 1/6 of the tablet per day. You can either give with water or just pop in the beak piece of the tablet and drop couple of drops of water with syringe on the tip of the beak to flush it down.
Vitamins either give one candy a day of vitamin 1 or mix vitamin 2 with seeds and drop of vegetable oil so the powder can adhere to the seeds. It says 1% ratio. That means that on 50 gr seeds it should be 0.5 gr powder (on the tip of the knife)
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#50
16th October 2009, 11:35 PM
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How much does the bird weigh? My gress would be 180-200 grams.I suspect the bird is much lighter than an adult bird and I think going with the lower dose of 25mg per day would be safer.
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#51
17th October 2009, 12:12 AM
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He knows he can fly better and he is flying all around the bathroom, up. He managed yesterday to get out of his carrier (I didn't lock it with the zipper since he never tried to go out) and I found him on the heater happy that he managed to get there (the heater is up and it's turned off, no worries).
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#52
17th October 2009, 05:21 AM
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Yep, Charis is right, he is light so go for smaller dose. Cut tablet in 8 pieces you will have cutting loss so it will aproximately be between 25~30 gr.
If he is happy and well feed, he would like to play, explore, fly, so do not be surprised that he is more active. Pigeons are very inteligent and they like to keep themsef busy.
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#53
17th October 2009, 05:51 AM
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#55
18th October 2009, 09:40 PM
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Yesterday we managed to give him an exact of 1/8 of the pill and some vitamins with the food and a bit of sunflower oil. So now he has 2 days of medicine, one with a bit less then 1/8 and yesterday with 1/8. He ate mainly corn, he likes it more than seeds. He pooped yellow from the corn and a bit watery, he has diarea. This morning we let him fly again in the bathroom. He vomited what he ate mostly corn and some peas and water, as whole, not digested at all. Should we stop with the medicine, is he sick from it? we are afraid now to give him any more medicine or vitamins with sunflower oil.
Now we put him some peas and bread, to change from corn. He flew only a bit and now he stands in bathroom closet. Last edited by pigeon_rules; 18th October 2009 at 10:28 PM.
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#56
18th October 2009, 11:12 PM
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Stop vitamins and go on peas/corn only. Please do not let him fly. He needs all the energy to get well. Do not stop the medicine, you need to finish medicating.
Metronidazole is antibiotic and as such can cause diarrhea, abdominal distress, nausea, vomiting. You may try split dose into twice a day. Just keep him warm and carry on hand feeding.
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#57
18th October 2009, 11:15 PM
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I put him in the carrier. He won't eat for now. I will give him the medicine once in the afternoon and second time in the evening. I gave him peas and a bit of bread crumbs.
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#59
19th October 2009, 02:10 AM
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I managed to find a shelter for wild animals here in Prague. We will probably take him there, but only after he is well enough and when he's done with his treatment and after we make sure that they will take care of him. But if the weather is better in November, he should be fine if we release him, right? plamenh you said to give him 4-6 days the medicine and the doctor said 7, should we give him 6 or just 4?
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#60
19th October 2009, 06:00 AM
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I personally use single dose Metronidazole 100mg tablets with cellulose coating for slow release of the medication. Recommendation is 25~50 mg 4~6 days and depends on the severity of the problem. Check him on the day 4 and see what is his condition. Every case is different and it is wrong to treat every bird equally.
Talk to the shelter people first and ask them if they will accept him for the winter. Outside he will not survive even if weather is above 0 for couple of days. I did that mistake with my first rescue, released it in my garden soon after he become well. Two days later he died in my hands. Presently temperatures for Prague are between –4 and 10 degrees Celsius, but food for young baby will be the problem because he needs to compete with much stronger birds outside. Even 10 degrees Celsius will kill starving bird. I know well what is to live in single room apartment, so the only think I can suggest is to find someone to adopt him.
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