Found White Pigeon-Long Island NY

[Pidgey]

Hi, ya', Reti... Could you review the Ivomec stuff earlier in this thread and see what you think? I was looking at an earlier thread:

http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/showthread.php?p=229711

...where you figured in there prominently.

Pidgey

[Reti]

Since I had problems in my birds with the Panacur I switched to Ivomec and I had no side effects so far not even when overdosing. I think it is far safer than Panacur.

Reti

[TAWhatley]

There are various strengths of products that contain ivermectin .. you have to know what you have and adjust dosage accordingly. Here's a couple of links:

http://www.pigeoncote.com/vet/formulary/formulary.html

Name: Ivermectin (Ivomec, Eqvalen)
Description: Ivermectin is derived from the avermectins, a family of highly active, broad spectrum, antiparasitic agents.
Usage: Ascarids, Capillaria, Tetrameres, Strongyles, and other internal nematodes. Also used for lice.
Adverse reactions: None.
Dosage: 500 - 1000 UG (Micrograms), which works out to be .05 - .1 millimeters or cc's./bird for internal parasites. 1 1/2 - 6 cc per gallon of water for internal parasites. 1 1/2 - 3 cc per gallon of bath water for lice. For internal parasites the higher dosage is needed in many cases of ascarids and tetrameres.
Comments: This is a very effective and safe drug. Ivomec, the cattle preparation cannot be mixed well with water, thus birds must be individually dosed. Eqvalen, the horse product is water soluble and may be mixed with water. Wormer of choice for all worm's except tapeworms.

http://www.myrtlelofts.com/vet9.htm

Ivermectin (Ivomec, Eqvalen): Broad spectrum wormer. Effective against Ascarids (roundworms), Capillaria (hairworms), and stomach wall worms. Some resistance developing.

Dose : 500 -1000 ug per bird. Can be dosed in the drinking water, but the efficacy of this method is debatable. The surest way is to treat the pigeons individually. 1-2 drops by mouth of Ivomec is the correct dose. The higher dosage is needed to treat roundworms and, for some reason, even this is occasionally ineffective. New generation avermectins such as Moxidectin may be more effective.

http://www.auspigeonco.com.au/Articl...e_control.html
For roundworms and hairworms, these days there is no reason to use anything else than an avermectin such as Ivermectin (‘Ivomec’) or Moxidectin. These medications are just so safe and effective and of course have the handy side-effect of also killing all external parasites that suck blood. This includes all mites. Do, however, watch your dose rate. Not all Ivomec is the same. It comes in a variety of strengths. Some large-volume bottles that seem really cheap are probably a fairly dilute preparation. One needs 10 mg of active drug per litre of drinking water for the medication to be effective. To figure out how much to add to the drinking water, multiply the strength on the label by what will become the dose to equal 10. For example, a common strength available is 0.8 mg/ml (0.8 g/litre). 0.8 x 13 equals approximately 10. So therefore, one needs to add 13 ml to 1 litre to give an effective dose. Similarly, a brand that is 5 mg/ml will only need 2 ml per litre to be added to the drinker.

Terry

[sasha008]

OK the doc looked at this info and said the dose we figured on (0.2 mg/kg, PO) was on the low end. We have the 1% solution for cattle and diluted it. Does it need to be repeated in 3 weeks?

[TAWhatley]

Originally Posted by sasha008

OK the doc looked at this info and said the dose we figured on (0.2 mg/kg, PO) was on the low end. We have the 1% solution for cattle and diluted it. Does it need to be repeated in 3 weeks?

Yes, it does need to be repeated.

Terry

[sasha008]

This bird is doing well, eating and the poop looks pretty good. But I repeated the fecal and the coccidia is back and the Capillaria is still there. Not sure what went wrong. I was wondering if I should get something else to use, maybe something that can go in the water? I looked on Foy's website but I'm not sure. The 3 in 1 treats worms and coccidia but it doesn't say what kind of worms.

I contacted an officer of the Nassau Suffolk pigeon club who asked around but nobody wants this bird. She said to let the bird go as he's a homer and will just fly home

[Pidgey]

Dirty Dogs! Sometimes they can't find their way back and it doesn't look like this guy was doing very good out on his own anyhow, huh?

Okay, so it might be that the strain of worm might be resistant to Ivermectin. Do you have Levamisole?

Pidgey

[sasha008]

No. no Levamisole. I have to buy some pigeon grit so I have to place an order anyway. I can buy something as long as it's not too expensive. Just don't know what to get.

[Pidgey]

The Levamisole at the bottom of this page (Indiana?) would be one:

http://www.vitakingproducts.com/wormers1.htm

There's Levamisole on this one (Pennsylvania?), too:

http://www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/ca...ers/index.html

I've used both liquid and tablets. There is one notation on one of the pages that says that they tend to puke on the stuff and that can definitely be the case. However, the way it works is that it doesn't kill the worms--only knocks 'em kinda' unconscious for several hours. The upshot of that is that you need for food to push through the bird to run the worms out that are no longer hanging onto the sides. Therefore, you need for the bird to eat a few hours after taking the wormer and to keep the food down. This wormer is not toxic to the bird and can be used on severely compromised birds which another wormer (like Panacur which is Fenbendazole) might finish off under the same circumstances.

Anyhow, if you get any of those then we can work out a dose when you've got it in hand. There are other places to get the stuff, too.

Pidgey

[Pidgey]

Oh, and how many coccidial oocysts per visual field are we talking about? It's not uncommon for them to have a few most of the time.

Pidgey

[sasha008]

As to the coccidia, there were alot of oocysts seen. I'm suprised the poop looks ok. Is there anything that can be put in the water for that? I could go back to the Albon if needed. He was getting a bit stressed with daily oral dosing though.

[Pidgey]

I've seen asymptomatic birds with a lot of oocysts per visual field that didn't seem to be ill. That is, they appeared completely unhampered--no weight loss, flying fine, healthy appetite, normal behavior in all respects. Sometimes, when you see a recurrence, you're actually looking for something else that's wrong and this secondary symptom is just a warning sign. For now, let's just go after the Capillaria.

Pidgey

[sasha008]

OK I got the Levamisole from Foy's. I ordered tablets but they sent me oblets? The instructions says to not feed for 24 hours prior to treatment and hold back from feeding for 3 hours afterwards. 6 oblets per gallon for 1 day then repeat in 10-12 days. Will I be able to dose a single bird with these pills?

[Pidgey]

One way or another, yes. One oblet would work in 21 ounces of water, which would still be wasting quite a bit if used for only one bird. In how many equal pieces do you think you could reliably divide one oblet into?

Pidgey

[sasha008]

I could probably divide them into eighths easily enough.