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[relofts]

Jonathan,

Now you are saying you had them checked at a vet, they were not sick, they had an eye infection (that is an illness) and you still let them go, there is no way they could have had enough of treatment to of cured, eye infections are usually a residual effect of a sinus infection or respiratory infection, the scenerio's that was offered to you are the worst extreme that could happen, taken proper care of and using proper caring, cleaning, washing techniques you would have never had to worry, you jumped the gun. There are thousands of people that have, show, compete, care for pigeons and in the numbers there are very few cases of any health issues, it is only those that choose to not care for their birds that need to worry. If these were homers you need to notify the prior owner they are coming home and what your history was with these birds, if these are fancy breeds they will still be in your area they will not travel far, if they had eggs they are probably going to be knocking at their door wanting back in, I will hope that you retrieve these birds and turn them over to a responsible person to care for.

Ellen

[jonathand]

i had brang them a while ago and the people there said i am lucky i brang them because it could have gotten alot worse they treated them and i got them back then i started treating them that is when i saw improvments. then i let them go because people told me pigeons can get all sorts of diseases so i let them go exept 1 that i am still treating and when treated i will let her go to again i am sorry the reason why i let them go because i was scared what is something else had happened to them i wiould be in this situation again and what is it was worse but i did let them go healthy and i only had 6 pigeons stop saying i am not responsible cause i am responsible!

[TAWhatley]

Originally Posted by jonathand

well i guess i wont need to stay on this site anymore i have nomore pigeons oh ya 1 more thing i am really responsible i have lots of animals and they are ok pigeons i have had befor so ellen dont say i am not responsible because i think i am and people no i am i can take care of any animal including PIGEONS so please if u dont have anything good to say to me dont say anything thx sorry to tell u like that but that was mean what u said

ps: the pigeons still come to me they still are around

jonathand

So, Jonathan .. are you staying or are you going? You need to make up your mind and do whatever you feel is right. If you decide to stay, then take heed .. I won't put up with much more of your whining and excuses. If your pigeons are indeed coming back to you, then please gather them up and get them to someone who can care for them as they should be cared for. Nobody expects you or anyone else to put your personal health in jeopardy, but we do expect you to know your facts and not "shoot from the hip" like you did by releasing your birds.

I'm =not= going to let you continue to make statements like "if u don't have anything good to say to me dont say anything" .. what sense does that make? If you ask for advice and that advice happens to not suit you or if you feel it is not a good thing to say then why should anyone bother posting to you anymore?

And, let's forget the "that was mean what u said" stuff .. enough already!

You've been a bit mean yourself, and your anger (which should be totally directed to your own self) is no excuse.

Terry

[relofts]

Originally Posted by jonathand

i am really responsible i have lots of animals and they are ok pigeons i have had befor so ellen dont say i am not responsible because i think i am and people no i am i can take care of any animal including PIGEONS so please if u dont have anything good to say to me dont say anything thx sorry to tell u like that but that was mean what u said

ps: the pigeons still come to me they still are around

jonathand

Johnathan,

Ok, Lets just say you are responsible like you are trying to say, if you really are I want you to prove to me that you are responsible, I expect you to contain each of those pigeons 6 that you released as well as the one still in your care as you stated, then notify us when you have the pigeons contained, we will then contact a rehabber in your area as close as we can and we will expect you to transport and turn these pigeons over to a rehaber and we will follow-up on their welfare, I want you to prove to me exactly how responsible you are, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt right now to prove me wrong this is a one time opportunity to prove you are a person that is as good as their word, so prove it....

Ellen

[elvis_911]

good luck Jonathan and hope you dont just quit like the rest ... i did quit for about 2 months then those birds are so special...its been 3 years now or 2 and half !




Elvis

[feralpigeon]

Originally Posted by jonathand

i had brang them a while ago and the people there said i am lucky i brang them because it could have gotten alot worse they treated them and i got them back then i started treating them that is when i saw improvments. then i let them go because people told me pigeons can get all sorts of diseases so i let them go exept 1 that i am still treating and when treated i will let her go to again i am sorry the reason why i let them go because i was scared what is something else had happened to them i wiould be in this situation again and what is it was worse but i did let them go healthy and i only had 6 pigeons stop saying i am not responsible cause i am responsible!

Jonathand,

I am heartsickened to hear about your poor birds. I know that you really love them and that they love you back; look to you for direction, and depend on you for all of the attention ( caring, food, shelter, crisis intervention ) that all
of our pets do. Be they dogs, cats, birds, etc.

I posted that link for you, not to frighten you, but so that you might understand that certain illnesses or symptoms might require more attention and diligence than others. The truth be told, without good hygiene, it is possible for you to get parasites from a dog or cat. And, let's not talk about sushi or studies that were done in Siberia about the value of freezing eggs ( none ) which is a technique that some restaurants use to "protect" the customer.

We can't teach pets to be dependent on us and then throw them out with no warning because we realize that we may have to
change our own behavior in the way that we deal with a problem.

If anything, PigeonTalk provides not just a place for you to ask questions, but
a place to research what your concerns are. Have you ever really tried to
look up answers for yourself here? I've recently ( not to mention sick or
injured ferals ) been very concerned and upset about health issues for two
pigeons that I have adopted. Because respiratory issues were involved, I did
bring them to an avian vet. Ya, it's costly, and at the same time it is also
educational and reassuring. My test for ornithosis came back negative. You
have to know how good that feels. They are testing positive for coccidiosis
and worms. Major drag as they've been treated for that already elsewhere
by a knowledgable person. Now I have to figure out WHY.......??? Then I in-
tend to fix it. Because these birds are so very sweet, in their own world with
their own issues. They are innocent, like little kids....it's not their fault. I
have to step up to the plate and accept the extra chores it will entail for me
to help them. I know that it will be fixed eventually, but it will take time,
my effort, and a desire to understand what the mechanism is so that I can
fix it.

And its a learning experience for me, as the avian vet showed me how
to administer medications in the crop and had me do it there while he ob-
served........what a gem in the midst of all this! I'm also learning about
medications. Should I complain??!?

Don't let me forget to mention that in the process of getting to know
these two that there are feelings involved.

Jonathand, you have feelings involved here too. Feeling hurt by comments
made to you that you didn't understand where they were coming from.
People here care about you and you care about PT. More importantly, you
care abour your birds. Jonathand, please think about your love for these birds and not your anger right now.......do the right thing. Don't punish the birds for being in the middle of your feelings. Please choose to either take the responsibility on of caring comprehensibly for them or as others have said,
get them to a rehabber immediately.

respectfully,

fp

[TAWhatley]

Thank you FP! Nuff said and well done!

Terry

[jonathand]

i said sorry already but i dont want to getinvolved with pigeons no more i have a new thing that i am working on i mean i have other animals

[relofts]

Originally Posted by relofts

Johnathan,
I am giving you the benefit of the doubt right now to prove me wrong this is a one time opportunity to prove you are a person that is as good as their word, so prove it....
Ellen

Johnathan,

As I stated above I gave you the opportunity to prove that you are a man of your word, you gave those pigeons a promise to care for them when you brought them home you have violated that trust between man and animal, You are not worthy of those birds. I also believe an adult would not of reacted as you did so I am going to assume that you are a child that has not given their correct age.

Originally Posted by jonathand

i said sorry already but i dont want to getinvolved with pigeons no more i have a new thing that i am working on i mean i have other animals

Sorry doesn't make those pigeons safe, it is not hard since you said those pigeons are still coming back for you to contain them and you could turn them over to someone that will care for them, you have had them this long and haven't contracted any dreadfull disease yet, so what would be the since of not taking them to a safe home, as I stated before you are violating their faith they put in you. Oh and by the way heaven for bid that you get any other animals, did you know that you can get tape worms from cats and dogs, you can get ring worms, you can also get rabies if they happen to get it, you can get staphylococcosis from them if they have it or are carriers, did you know that any animal including humans are carriers of diseases, lets see do you know if you kiss a girl you could get mononucleosis, you can get Herpes, as well as a multitude of other diseases. I suggest you place yourself in a bubble if you cant see fit to assist the pigeons that you had to turn loose to be doomed, you don't deserve any animals in my opinion until you have given restitution to these pigeons that you have cause harm to, now with that said I am done with any further discussion that involves your adolescent behavior.

Ellen

[zoo keeper]

Way to go Ellen

[feralpigeon]

Hi Jonathand,

Thanks for checking in w/PT today and giving us an update as to your feelings
on this situation. It seems as though you might be very busy w/other projects
and animals right now. This is your choice, however, wouldn't it be better
for you and the birds (if you are ready to move on) to collect your birds and
place them in the care of someone who would tend to their needs as you would
have should you have decided to keep them??

You live in Toronto, is that not correct?

Thanks,

fp

[jonathand]

hi ellen by naming all these diseases that other animals can get what are you trying to do make me not want them or some thing and i am the age i put and if u no what is good for u dont talk to me any more

[relofts]

Originally Posted by jonathand

hi ellen by naming all these diseases that other animals can get what are you trying to do make me not want them or some thing and i am the age i put and if u no what is good for u dont talk to me any more

Jonathand,

Don't make idle threats it will not be tolerated I guarentee you. Now just so you know why I advised you on the diseases is so that another animal doesn't come into your care for you just to later put it out on the streets when you decide it may give you and ingrown hair or something. Now I think you need to move on, you do not need to have animals until you have learned to be responsible for them.

Ellen

[TAWhatley]

Jonathan,

Please do not make threatening comments to any members of this board PERIOD! I'm within about a millimeter of banning you from the board, so shape up or I =will= ship you out.

I am also closing this thread. If you want to "talk" to me about my decision, you can send me a private post or start a new thread, but do be careful .. if you start a new thread and the first post is full of negative attitude, then that's it for you.

Terry

[bklowe]

My opinion is that Jonathon is an antagonist .... someone who joined this forum just to upset the members and likely has no animals or birds and never did. Likely a pigeon hater. JMO