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24th August 2008, 01:08 PM
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Thank you for the update, it is such a relief to know Tzip is doing so well!
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25th August 2008, 07:49 AM
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***help***It seems there's a serious problem with Tzip!
Starting last night, he is puking everything I feed him... Also, since last night he has a bad diarrhea... His dropping is green and wattery, does not seem normal at all... Could it be related to a flight accident he had yesterday? He jumped off my hand and fell on his had...  Please advise urgently. I don't want to lose him. HitchHiker
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25th August 2008, 09:06 AM
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Hitch, you really should keep your posts in YOUR original thread so that people who are watching can be aware of any questions. I went back and read through VERY QUICKLY on what has been happening with this baby. The last thing I saw was that you had found a vet that would look at him. I would suggest that you make every effort to get the bird BACK to the vet ASAP. We try to help as much as we can but we can't diagnose everything and nothing takes the place of hands on. Something is wrong with Tzip and there's no sense in people all over the world trying to figure out what that problem is when you can see a vet. I do hope that Tzip will be ok and in spite of everything, I still suspect canker. Please let us know what you find out.
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25th August 2008, 09:46 AM
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The posts have now been moved to their original thread, I agree that the bird needs to go to an avian vet asap.
Meanwhile keep him subdued and hydrate with a little hydration fluid, slowly dribble down the side of beak.
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25th August 2008, 10:08 AM
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I am so sorry that Tzip has taken a bad turn. Don't try to feed him for the time being, just keep him warm and give him rehydrating solution (1 pint warm water mixed with 1/2 teaspoon glucose, sugar or honey). Have you received the "care" package I sent yet? If so, give him one tablet of spartrix and mix some probiotics in with the water.
When I had a pigeon with bad diarrhea I made certain that every time she passed diarrhea she received fluids to compensate for the loss. Cynthia
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25th August 2008, 01:56 PM
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Hi HH, Yes, get him to the Vet a soon as possible. This sounds like an infection of his Digestive system, or an infection which is effecting his digestive system. Human saliva can do this, as can Bacteria in the food. How have you been preparing the food for him? Anyway, your little Pigeon is more than old enough to be eating whole and proper Seeds now anyway, so, lets review what you have been doing food wise and food prep-wise, and then we can review getting him onto eating and pecking Seeds. Best wishes..! Phil l v Last edited by pdpbison; 25th August 2008 at 02:00 PM.
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26th August 2008, 12:05 PM
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UpdateHi All,
Some good news first: Tzip is much better! no more puking, no more dierriah and he is hungry again!!!  I keep feeding him as follows: He eats 2-3 times a day 20cc of the following grains grounded to dust and mixed with water (I put the water in about 10 minutes before the feeding): Hummus grains, black & white peas, wheat, rice, oats, kinoua, birds seed. I also add some barley grains (about 30-40 in total, in several portions during the feeding). This keeps him happy. He is squeaking with excitement every time he knows I feed him and runs toward my hand and picks it with his little beak. And now the worrying part: he keeps tilting his head in funny angles (see images). He keeps it straight also, but usually it's tilted both when he walks and stands still.... Also, every time he tries to fly, he falls  He does not really eat by himself, although he tries to pick the grains I leave in his box and picks at other stuff as well... Shouldn't he know to fly/eat by himself already? he is supposed to be 28-29 days old by now.Please advise. Oh sh***! he just pooped on my iPhone! 
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26th August 2008, 01:00 PM
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Hi HitchHiker........I am so happy to hear that Tzip is feeling better. So glad you have the puking and pooping under control.
Your really need some imput from some of our experts here with his condition of his head tiltiling and falling. I have a suspicion what it is, but I am very reluctant to give you any advice as I am not that experienced or savy on the illness. I will PM one of the experts that I know that is very familiar and have them get back to you. Love that fact that he gets so excited when you go to feed him...that is a real good sign. Regards, Louise
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26th August 2008, 01:23 PM
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I have PM a few of the experts and hopefully they will be back to you shortly.
I just want to give you some precautionary advice, just in case Tzip has what I suspect. He needs to be kept very quiet and comfortable as any form of stress will exasperate his condition. Therefore don't attempt any more flying for him for the time being. There is plenty of time for that after he recovers. Just keep him as quiet and comfortable as possible. Regards, Louise
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26th August 2008, 01:24 PM
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I am glad that Tzip is feeling a bit better again . The head tilt could be an indication that he has PMV or he could have paratyphoid (I am suprised the vet didn't see this.)
If it is PMV then all you can do is provide supportive care, he may make a spontaneous recovery (I will post a link to PMV information at the end of this post). If he has PMV then you will probably notice that he has white patches as the end of his feathers, or a "flag" at the end of the feather, or twisted feathers. The bare patch at the throat could also indicate PMV. If it is paratyphoid, then he can be treated with Baytril. Can you let us know about his feather condition? This is the link to PMV information: http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/showth...referrerid=560 Cynthia
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26th August 2008, 01:34 PM
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26th August 2008, 01:40 PM
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There is a photo in "Fit to Win", but copyright prevents me from sharing it. Cynthia
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26th August 2008, 02:36 PM
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I also tend to think it's PMV. The head "twist" seems so typical for PMV. Your vet could run a blood test and make the diagnosis for sure. My vet had mentioned that meningitis and encephalitis could also cause the head twist.
He can survive with supportive care. Reti
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26th August 2008, 02:51 PM
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Hi HitchHiker,
Two of our most knowledgeable members have agreed with my suspicions. Please read in it's entirity the link that Cyro51 sent you. Tzip has a really good chance of survival with your help and supportive care. He sure is a little figher and it's obvious he wants to live. Please keep us updated, there are many of us here rooting and praying for him. Regards, Louise
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