Help needed with baby rescue pigeon

[Flyaway]

Phil

I know you're being helpful and I've really appreciated the advice you've given me - really I have. But seriously - I'm not thick, I'm not stupid. I have the ability to learn.

I'm going to be honest, I found some of your comments patronising to say the least. It's not as if we're going to keep him cooped up in a tiny cage, in solitary confinement never to see the light of day for goodness sake.

This pigeon would be dead by now given where he was found and given the general population's opinion of pigeons as being vermin.

Normally I wouldn't advocate keeping a wild creature but this one is going to become domesticated very quickly - he already is.

And do not tell me what is "kind" or "sensible". My partner can build pretty much anything professionally from scratch. We don't go into these things with our eyes shut. We research these things first. This forum has been part of my wanting to learn more about pigeons and I've been doing as much reading as I've been able to aside from this forum on the subject.

Your comments have gone beyond helpful - they are now insulting.

The tone of your last post you've just lost all credibility for me. So anything else you have to say I won't be reading. There are other people here who I would feel very comfortable asking for advice via pm if necessary -and that's just what I'm going to do. I won't be posting here again because I'm not about to subject myself to patronising crap.

I apologise to everyone here for this post. I'm not trying to cause trouble. I am happy to take on board all your comments and learn from them. I'm not arrogant enough to think I know what's best and can't learn anything. That would be just plain stupid - and not good for the pigeon.

Last update: pigeon is doing well. He's been having a little walk around. He doesn't seem at all bothered by his eye.

[pdpbison]

Originally Posted by pdpbison

Glad to see the eye looking better!


Phil
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Hi flyaway,


This, quoted here, is my "last Post"



I am sorry you find it 'insulting".




I will be glad to leave your thread alone, to save you the continueing trouble of reading anything I have offered...



...and far moreso, to save me the time and effort and involvement and concentration, which it takes to track with and interpret these situations.


If the situations were really about the Bird, it would all be so easy.


Clearly, they are not.




Good by,



Phil
Las Vegas

[Flyaway]

That quoted most definitely was NOT your last post. Your last post has been edited to make it non-offensive.

Your unedited version managed to suggest I was cruel, incompetent, stupid and arrogant.

So please, don't make it worse by now assuming an innocent hard-done-to stance and basically lying about the contents of your original unedited version.


Really I've had enough of your supercillious nonsense. You were offensive. Accept it and move on.

And this isn't my thread.

[Flyaway]

I cannot believe that you are now lying. I am gob-smacked. Seriously. You have now resorted to lying in order to appear a victim of my apparent neurosis and hallucination.


Please remember - even if no one else saw your post - I did.

If you want to quote something, quote what you said to me in it's entirety.

[Feefo]

I received the original post automatically by e-mail and I guess that a lot of other members did too. I am ashamed that one of our long standing members should have been so deceitful about the contents of the post that provoked Flyaway's response.

Cynthia

[Maggie-NC]

Why can't a post like Phil made be kept on even if it was as bad as everyone says. This is just "whitewashing" a thread and it isn't fair to the recipient Flyaway to remove or edit what Phil wrote. It simply makes it an incomplete thread that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Phil is an adult and should be able to take the consequences of a bad post, as should everyone else. There have been many posts that were edited that should have been allowed to stand as they were written. Maybe then, people will be embarrassed by what they have written and stop writing inflammatory material.

JMO

I would like to add to Flyaway that I hope you don't stop posting because of one member. There are many of us who are very interested in your situation.

[KIPPY]

I'm thinking butterflies and rainbows.

I can see how you can bond with this little guy and visa versa. This guys been thru a lot at this age and you just want to protect them and keep them safe. You are doing a great job!

Not sure what cage size you had in mind but the the bigger the better. Once your heart goes out to one pij it's gonna go out to another. He may need a feathered friend when he matures and you may find another pij in need of help.

Hope you keep posting pictures of his progress.

[Feefo]

Why can't a post like Phil made be kept on even if it was as bad as everyone says. This is just "whitewashing" a thread and it isn't fair to the recipient Flyaway to remove or edit what Phil wrote. It simply makes it an incomplete thread that doesn't make a lot of sense.

I would agree if it had been edited or removed by a moderator but Phil edited his own post. If he had apologised instead of pretending that his brief and pleasant reply was the one that Flyaway objected to then we could have all moved on.

Cynthia

[Maggie-NC]

Thanks Cynthia. That does make a big difference.

[Trees Gray]

Hi Flyaway,

I hope you will continue to post any concerns and share with us when you need to, we do appreciate all you are doing for this pigeon, please do keep us updated.


Hi Maggie,

Once the post is edited by the member, we can't resurrect the original post, and none of us saw the original post, as Cynthia did, otherwise it would have been dealt with in a timely fashion.



...and with that let's get back to the topic at hand.

[pdpbison]

I removed the post in question, immediately after it had been up for only a minute or two. I simply changed my mind about posting it, and instead made one short happy post.

I would like to think that anyone here has the right to post something, and, to change their mind a minute later, and to withdraw the post, without having to be subjected to so much drama and hostility.



So, I had made a new post, right then and there, expressing my pleasure at seeing the improvement with the Eye...which was true.

Nothing was 'edited' later, or done later.

That then, the "Glad the Eye is looking better!" post, was my 'last' post in literal terms, and I reposted it for reference.

I then also posted to make it clear, and to explain, what had happenned, how I had pulled my earlier post 23 hours previous, and my posts about that were removed by others.


So, it then is made to appear that I did something wrong, while I am prevented from offering any clearifying information, even though those insulting or attacking me, are allowed to vent themselves in posts which remain.


Anyone who may wish to read for themselves the post I had 'pulled', which had been up only for a minute or so, 23 hours prior to it mysteriously recieveing a bad reaction, is welcome read it, since I saved it in my outlook express 'drafts' when I deleted it.


Just e-mail me, and I would be glad to send it to anyone who would like to see for themselves what it had said.

I am sorry for the way things have gone here with this, and personally, I can not see how enableing and encouraging hostile and disingenuous and accusitory posts, is allowed, while forbiding rebuttal or clearifying information to be offered.

Why leave offensive reacting posts up? When what they were offended about was long since withdrawn by it's author, the day before any offence had even been mentioned?







Best wishes,

Phil
Las Vegas

[TAWhatley]

Ok, folks. I approved this last post from Phil so he could have his say in the matter. Let's all get this over with as has been suggested and get back to being concerned for the well being of the bird in question.

Terry

[AZWhitefeather]

How is your 'darling' little patient doing Flyaway? Is the eye improving?

As time permits, could you post an update?

Cindy

[Flyaway]

Thankyou everyone for your good wishes. Phil, my sincere apologies. I should have pm-ed you rather than bringing this to a public forum. I apologies for any upset I've caused you.

The pigeon is doing well. Both eyes are no longer red. And the right eye is much less watery and it's no longer "gooey".

He has started flying - not vast distances obviously, but he will now fly a couple of feet or so to get to something he's interested in rather than sitting there squeaking at whatever it is - so everywhere is now covered with newspaper and old sheets.

He really is a pleasure. He met our two rabbits yesterday. They were heading for the garden and he was tucked up near the french windows observing the great outdoors. So they stopped in their tracks all surprised to take a look, he squeaked a greeting (or maybe an expletive) and then they went on their way. Brief but cute.

I will try to update you. At the moment there's not much to add.

[Feefo]

Thanks for the update, Flyaway!

When he is about 8 weeks old his voice will start to break and he will make a quacking noise.

Cynthia