International Rehydration Solution

[pdpbison]

Anyway, I am curious to go over this...sounds promising, but I can find nothing about it on 'google' searches.


Did find this -

"Since its development in the 1960s, oral rehydration solution has been credited with saving the lives of millions of children throughout the world who suffer from dehydration caused by severe diarrhea. The solution is a mixture of water, glucose, sodium, potassium, and electrolytes, which help children recover and retain vital fluids and nutrients. The United Nations Children's Fund (UNICEF) distributes oral rehydration solution worldwide. Similar solutions are sold in U.S. supermarkets under different brand names such as Pedialyte, CeraLyte, and Infalyte. "


Okay, so far so good...sounds great to me.


I would like to know more details about what 'electrolytes' and what proportions OF these various things and exactly what these things are substance/material wise, to add TO Water for making this, or will 'u.n.i.c.e.f.' send me a Case or two just because I have 'blue' eyes?


Lol...


Anyway, this sounds so much better than what I knew to do, I think it would be good for us all to learn how to make it, or, find out where to get it, or both.


Love,

Phil
Las Vegas

[KIPPY]

Isn't that the same stuff as Pedialyte?

[AZWhitefeather]

Go to the Pigeon-Talk page, click on search & type in International Rehydrating Solution & you should find 29 threads in which it's mentioned.

It's also mentioned in the 'Basic Life Saving Steps' thread. Here's the link to it.
http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/showthread.php?t=8822

[Lin Hansen]

Kim....yes, that's what I was thinking too...Pedialyte and even Gatorade have the components of the water, salt, sugar and electrolytes.

Linda

[AZWhitefeather]

Phil,
International Rehydrating Solution (IRS) is basically a 'home made version' of Lactated Ringers that is used in hospitals for rehydrating and/or administering meds via an IV.

I suggest it a lot to our members, as it's simple to make & most kitchens have the ingredients (to a cup of room temp. water add a pinch each of salt & sugar.) Administer accordingly.

Cindy

[Feefo]

When you use search engines you have to try various combinations. I did a serach for "rehydration solution" and it came uo with the "International Rehydration Solution" on this site.

http://www.squirrels.info/distress/illness.htm

As Cindy said, it is an emergency measure using common kitchen ingredients that can be found worldwide (ie internationally) and can be used when and where manufactured versions are not easily available.

Cynthia

[Maggie-NC]

Phil, like the others, I believe all these components are in Pedialyte. We try to keep this on hand all the time and if we run out, Gatoraid can be used as a substitute.

[Feefo]

Hi Maggie,

I don't think that we have pedyalite and gatorade in the UK and I expect many other countries are in the same situation.. There may be something similar in some of the bigger supermarkets, but a first time rescuer wouldn't have it in the kitchen cupboard whereas they, or a neighbour, are likely to have sugar and salt. That is why the International Rehydration Solution is recommended as a basic step for saving the life of a pigeon or dove.

Experienced rescuers will have something a bit more sophisticated because they are expecting to have an emergency at some time.

Cynthia

[Maggie-NC]

Cynthia, you're absolutely right!

[Feefo]

Thanks Maggie. I was beginning to worry that I had misunderstood Phil's question...there have been changes and deviations to his original post during the day... and that he was not asking about the ingredients of the IRS to advise new rescuers but was asking what he as a rehabber should or could use use. Obviously both questions would have different answers.

Cynthia

[pdpbison]

Originally Posted by cyro51

Thanks Maggie. I was beginning to worry that I had misunderstood Phil's question...there have been changes and deviations to his original post during the day... and that he was not asking about the ingredients of the IRS to advise new rescuers but was asking what he as a rehabber should or could use use. Obviously both questions would have different answers.

Cynthia

Hi Cynthia,


Lol, sorry to have appeared ambiguous...


I would like to know the recipe for making any or all of these.


I like the idea of the Potassium being an ingredient, which of course regular Salt and Sugar will not have to offer.


People who have Hypertension usually have 'salt substitute' on hand, which is a Potasium based 'Salt' instead of Sodium based, Potasium Chloride I think...and this possibly might be an easy thing to get, and, to have on hand and might be excellent.


Too, off and on for years, I have bought little packets at Health Food Stores of various powders intended to be added to Water for making refreshing beverages...


One of these is called "Electrolyte Stamina Power Pack' and comes in little foil packets as powder.


Ingredients shown here -


http://www.traceminerals.com/products/elstpwrpak.html


Pigeon and Dove youngsters ( or anyone else Bird wise of any age, ) seem either to like the 'Orange' flavor or at least not to mind it.

In theory, the 'Cranberry' might have some additional benifits and merits but I have not tried it on anyone yet to see how they like the flavor.


Anyway, when I have had these on hand, or similar products, I have used them for general adding to Water for convelesent Birds or youngsters and possibly it would work well as a re-hydration solution though I had not really decided to use it for that yet, but, now that I am almost 'thinking' ( a rare event for this weary brain!) it seems like it might be just dandy.


These cost something like 35 cents a packet singley, and one packet of course will make an honest medium large glass full, which is a lot Bird-wise...

Thbe powder can be added to formula also, which I do sometimes...

Any Health food Store would have them or something like it anyway.


Whatcha-all think?


Phil
Las Vegas

[pdpbison]

Too, just occurred to me...this ( 'Electolyte Stamina Power Pack' ) might be something worth considering for suspected PPMV Pigeons or other Birds possibly effected by Viral or other odd mischiefs...


I know my own original PPMV Hen did seem to me to benefit from more or less similar ingredients I was managing to concoct to add as powders to her Seeds with a light glistening of Olive Oil so they stuck...and the extra Vitamines and so on, trace Minerals, and the "B" Vitamines especially, I suspect aid them in combating the Virus.


Certainly, anything we can do to strengthen and nourish their immune systems will aid them in combating a Viris or any other illness od infection or problems of whatever sort.


I have two suspected PPMV Pigeons presently, and they are both VERY shy Birds, ( I have made some headway, to where now they each allow me to do some 'Who's got a Tummy? YOU'VE got a Tummy!" and this makes changing out feed and water bowls SO much calmer!) but I think I will get them onto some Special teas and these Stamina Electolytes and see what changes may occur for them with these...


I am of a mind to seriously consider that Powdered Goldenseal and Echinechia together, can also offer very definite benefit not only to PPMV Birds, but also to those of vague yet serious presentations where we do not know quite what to do.

I think Oregano extracts also offer possibly excellent potentials also, and I intend to try reading up on those today sometime.


I have in fact used the powdered Echinechia and Goldenseal as semi strong Teas for them to drink ( and they were happy to drink these, and sometimes I added some powdered Licorice Root to sweeten it ) , as well as adding to formula or Seeds, and I have felt that this did very definitely help various Birds who were on some plateau otherwise with their regular meds, or who were going down hill in spite of the meds I and or the Vet thought right for their troubles.


I know I am wandering a little here, and naive, but you know, one thought leads to another...and I feel these things are very worth exploring...


Love,

Phil
Las Vegas

[JGregg]

Here's the definition of electrolytes from Wikipedia. One word of caution about Wikipedia the definitions can be edited by anybody, so you should check the answers when you look up information. In this case the definition is correct (I minored in Chemistry).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolyte

Principles of shock and fluid therapy in special species

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...68a9412a82c4a2

However, I am not in any way advocating that anyone attempt to administer fluids by IV unless directed to do so under the direct supervision of a licensed veternarian with the correct sterile equipment.

[Feefo]

Phil, does this help?

From "Practical Wildlife Care" by Les Stocker:

It is possible to mix your own equivalent oral rehydrating salts by using the following ingredients:

7g sodium chloride
5g sodium bicarbonate
3g potassium chloride
40g glucose
2 litres water

The solution must be mixed thoroughly and discarded after 24 hours.

Cynthia

[pdpbison]

Originally Posted by cyro51

Phil, does this help?

From "Practical Wildlife Care" by Les Stocker:

It is possible to mix your own equivalent oral rehydrating salts by using the following ingredients:

7g sodium chloride
5g sodium bicarbonate
3g potassium chloride
40g glucose
2 litres water

The solution must be mixed thoroughly and discarded after 24 hours.

Cynthia

Hi Cynthia,



Nice...thank you!


Whether one mixes this themselves, or compares to existing products, it is a valuuable reference list for ingrediants and proportions.


I appreciate it..!


Phil
Las Vegas