las vegas squeaker in distress

[Ratmando]

excuse the bad typing... this evening a squeaker, about 14 days old, landed from our roof to our patio, by our front porch. When we first found him, he was a bit feisty, but warmed up in my lap, where he sits at this moment. I have a rodent rescue, so there are bits of feeding equipment and food stuffs. I worry about the little guy making it through the night until i can get to a pet store for a feeding kit/supplies.
i'm reading all the posts I can.. but he let me just give him about 2cc's of pedialyte..and now he's back asleep. he doesn't show signs of trauma, nor parasite...and we also found an adult dead out front 2 days ago. am i doing anything right? is there anyone in las vegas *sw* who may be wiser and experienced? he's awfully sweet, and i'd love to see him annoying our neghbors like the rest of the pigeons around here... full adulthood and happy,
thanks in advance-cj

[pdpbison]

Hi ratmando,



If you like, I'd be glad to take over right now...


I am downtown, and I stay up late.


Phil
Las Vegas

[lwerden]

HI Ratmando,\

I live in the *se* and have the Kaytee Exact baby bird formula if you need it tonight. I'll be up for a few more hours if you would like to feed it to him tonight.

Louise

[Ratmando]

phil..if you want to take him in, I'd love to see him go to a good, proper pigeon papa... you can email me at cj at catheb dot com for directions.. if you can't come by, louise, i'd take you up on the offer.. I'm off of blue diamond, near rainbow... I don't know if I can drive with him in my lap.. but I could meet either of you if you give me the best method on how...thanks so so so much for the response

[lwerden]

Ratmando..........If you can not get him to Phil, I can meet you with the bird formula. Don't drive with him in your lab. Put him in a small box with a towel. He needs to be kept warm.

Louise

[Ratmando]

pm-ing you. just waiting for hubby to return from work so I can get car access, and he can watch the sick kitty..bad furnfeather week here..

thanks deeply

[lwerden]

Met with CJ.... Lovely lady!!!

Saw her squeaker and he appears to be fine. No visable injuries to legs, wing, feet, head or body. His poops looks normal. She now has formula and some starter seed. She is a rehabber of chinchilla & other rodents and should be fine with the hand feeding.

So glad she found us and that I could help her.

Louise

[pdpbison]

Good going Louise..!


I gave Ratmando a buzz and they will see how tomorrow seems as for what to do next.



Phil
l v

[Ratmando]

Thank you both SO much...the little squeaker, (Nike? Sneaker squeaker?) I think that's a good name..but he was pretty hungry, and took about 4 eyedroppers of the mix.. very warm, very wattery... I can't thank Louise enough for meeting me and Phil for calling and walking me through some basics. Just great folks you both! I'll be in touch asap if things change or if he seems a bit too much... but I have so much better sense of what to do thanks to both of you.

[lwerden]

Heard from Cj this morning.

At 6:00AM the baby seemed listless..........labored breathing, but did accept some food & water. Appeared to be cold,

At 7:00AM the baby passed away in CJ's arms shaking & aspirated some blood droplets from his beak.

This baby didn't show any visable signs of injury when I saw him around 11:00PM last night and was alert & active. There could have been some internal injuries from the fall that were not present.

What concerns me is that a few days ago CJ found a dead adult outside her home. Here in Las Vegas people have absolutely no regard for pigeons. Alot of poisioning going on here. It could be possible that the parent had injested some poison and passed it to the baby through feeding. Unfortunately we will never know the real reason.

In any case, I am so saddened by this little one's passing. The baby was just so precious, I wish I could have done more to save him.

Thank you CJ for being so caring and taking this baby in. You did all you could and atleast the little one passed in your arms knowing he was loved and cared for.

Regards,
Louise

[Ratmando]

Hi,
Just back in from the Rat rescue room, and saw your note. The little guy was just a sweetheart, and it would really upset me if someone was hurting these loving little flying neighbors by poisoning. I checked with the landlord, for the houses here, and the one behind us. he said he hadn't done anything like that, but we just got a new neighbor in, and they were on the roof of their house the other day, so I'm concerned that they did end up with something in their system. After he passed, I did a needle aspiration of his chest cavity, and I sent the blood to the local vet here for testing. He said he can tell me in a few days if it was poison or if it was bacterial. There wasn't any odor of any kind, and the two adults that were left on our attic are still there..and seem okay. I think there is one last squab in the nest, because I can hear soft peeping now and then, but it could also be the finches that nested in the alves over our doorway. The vet seemed to think it could have been poison too, after I told him about the blood, and the time line of his life with me. Just sad.
thanks so much louise..you're a sweetheart, too

[lwerden]

Hi CJ.......

So glad you are sending the blood to the vet for anaylsis. The new neighbor on the roof sounds very suspicous to me. I hope I am wrong.

Please say in touch.

Thanks so much for caring.

REgards,
Louise

[pdpbison]

Sorry to hear.


'Waferin' ( usually used to poison Rodents, or sometimes spouses, bosses, whatever,) might cause Blood to 'ooze' from mucous mebranes...

None of the 'usual' Avicides would...


Bacteria or Amoebas, if causing a severe enough enteritis can cause Blood to occur in the poops...


Injurys from falls are hard to guess about.



Good try Ratmando...and Louise...


Phil
l v

[Trees Gray]

I'm so sorry to hear the baby didn't make it, hope the investigation will help resolve the issue at hand.

Thank you to all involved.

[Reti]

Very sad. I hope it wasn't poison.

Reti