NewNew York pigeon vendor selling birds to PA shoots (HSUS)

[TheSnipes]

Originally Posted by little bird

Actually neither Margaret nor Renee said they wanted the recipients of the buckshot to die.......i'm sure they both would rather the pigeon shooters lived with the resulting conditions for many years.

Snicker snicker..

[SmithFamilyLoft]

Actually, I can say as a fact, that there were more people shot in York City, Pa. in 2007 then there were pigeons being shot....at all the public pigeon shoots in all of York County !!

So, the concern among fanciers I know here, is not to try to stop some future pigeon shoot...but to try to get the kids and adults from shooting each other, mainly from drug and gang disputes. Of course it spills over into neighborhoods and innocent people are hurt or killed all the time.

I suspect that a news item talking about pigeon shoots, would be a human interest story, and maybe sell some newspapers. The truth of where the birds really go, may be something else. The birds would not be USDA approved, but I suspect that many end up on the dinner table in some neighborhoods.

If anyone knows of any gun club in Pa. having some sort of organized live bird shoot, I think even the SPCA here would get involved. I think it is now, and has been for quite some time, a non-event here in Pa. If anyone has information to the contrary, I sure would like to know about it.

The article mentions the Strausstown Rod & Gun Club, I looked them up, I guess if they hold one of these things, you can call and ask them for details.


Contact Strausstown Rod & Gun Club
Phone: (717) 933-8418

[jeepsterwannabe]

Originally Posted by Lovebirds

Sure we are......we want to kill everyone who kills anything, animal or human..........GEEZ......what do you do? Troll the forum looking for something to stir up??????????
OF COURSE WE DON"T WANT TO KILL PEOPLE!! I don't even know why I'm trying to explain myself to you. I guess you've NEVER gotten mad in your entire life and said things that you didn't REALLY mean literally........Get a life.

Anger doesn't solve issues. Now if this forum is for people who want to rant and rave, sign useless petitions, etc. just let me know. I will probably stay out of the "News and Advocacy" forum since objective thinking is discouraged. I will stick with the forums that are geared less toward emotional subjects.

I guess spending most of my time on a boarding farm with the horses fixed any anger I had. You just cannot get angry around the horses ever. they will only react worse and worse.

[Jay3]

What must these sick demented people be like, who think of it as sport, to shoot at helpless birds that are captured and thrown out where they haven't got a snowballs chance in h--l, when they could be shooting at clay birds. How big and important does it make them feel to kill, or worse, injure and not kill, so that the bird lingers and suffers? These same people no doubt belong to the clan as well. Speaks volumes for their character and intelligence.

[maryjane]

Originally Posted by jeepsterwannabe

Anger doesn't solve issues. Now if this forum is for people who want to rant and rave, sign useless petitions, etc. just let me know. I will probably stay out of the "News and Advocacy" forum since objective thinking is discouraged. I will stick with the forums that are geared less toward emotional subjects.

I guess spending most of my time on a boarding farm with the horses fixed any anger I had. You just cannot get angry around the horses ever. they will only react worse and worse.

Tsk, tsk, someone who advocates less anger shouldn't be trying to rile people up. It amuses me to watch you pop up here and there and push people's buttons, as I'm sure it amuses you. My amusement however stems from the knowledge that while you do indeed succeed in riling up someone here and there, most of us here know enough by know from our dealings with you to just ignore you. In other words, you're wasting your time and energy by your intentionally provocative posts, and no one really cares. You may not have a lot of anger in your life, but your actions and words speak volumes about the lack of true happiness. May you find it. . .elsewhere.

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Anyway, that is a shame about the live shoots. Sick people are out there, and as I've said before; that's the problem with evolution. . .there's no one to eat the stupid people.

[TheSnipes]

Originally Posted by maryjane

Anyway, that is a shame about the live shoots. Sick people are out there, and as I've said before; that's the problem with evolution. . .there's no one to eat the stupid people.

Ha. Funny.

[SmithFamilyLoft]

Originally Posted by maryjane

Tsk, tsk, someone who advocates less anger shouldn't be trying to rile people up. It amuses me to watch you pop up here and there and push people's buttons, as I'm sure it amuses you. My amusement however stems from the knowledge that while you do indeed succeed in riling up someone here and there, most of us here know enough by know from our dealings with you to just ignore you. In other words, you're wasting your time and energy by your intentionally provocative posts, and no one really cares. You may not have a lot of anger in your life, but your actions and words speak volumes about the lack of true happiness. May you find it. . .elsewhere.

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Anyway, that is a shame about the live shoots. Sick people are out there, and as I've said before; that's the problem with evolution. . .there's no one to eat the stupid people.

I think I concur with your assessment, at least on the first two points. On your last point, human's have fallen victim to the worst predator of all, MAN, many more times over, then all the other predator's combined. We are just plain natural born killers, and always out looking for a fight. It was the people who survived these fights, and went on reproduce, are the stock from which we all came. Those are the blood lines, from what we "Evolved" from. And nothing much has changed in 5,000 years in that regard.

[Noisy_minor]

Very true "SmithFamilyLoft", never thought of it that way, all the wars and such back in the Barbarian days, would have had an impact on our evolution. Very interesting, hmmmmmm. I hate people that get amusment, from killing and torturing animals, and for that other humans. and "jeepstarwannabe", i wouldnt be at all fased, if some one went around gathering up all the humans, that commit acts of cruelty just for the thrill, and shooting them at ranges. Meh would make the world a much better place.

[Noisy_minor]

Originally Posted by jeepsterwannabe

Now if this forum is for people who want to rant and rave, sign useless petitions, etc. just let me know. I will probably stay out of the "News and Advocacy" forum

I wanted to say something about petitions. "Evil can only triumph, when good men sit and do nothing" although a petition may not be able to help a siuatuion immediatly, they are designed to help change the future. Its hard to imagine changing the future, but every little thing we do in the present, will ultimatly effect the future, either negetivly, or positively. So if enough people sign a petition, and the management of the corporation targeted by the petition, realise the community is not happy, it may help them change there practises, to prevent the situation happening again. There for saving future lives or what not.

Im not having a go at you, just wanted to try help you undertstand how "useless petitions" help in the long run.

Cheers

[Ivor]

I have the same feeling here, I will like to do something to all these killers, and see how they feel, it touch my feeling very deeply, every time I see all these news, not only with pigeons but with animals in general, I wish I can take care all of them, but I know is just a dream. But nop I won't kill anybody, but if I have the opportunity I will make them sufer like they do it with the animals.

[little bird]

[quote=maryjane;305818]Tsk, tsk, someone who advocates less anger shouldn't be trying to rile people up. It amuses me to watch you pop up here and there and push people's buttons, as I'm sure it amuses you. My amusement however stems from the knowledge that while you do indeed succeed in riling up someone here and there, most of us here know enough by know from our dealings with you to just ignore you. In other words, you're wasting your time and energy by your intentionally provocative posts, and no one really cares. You may not have a lot of anger in your life, but your actions and words speak volumes about the lack of true happiness. May you find it. . .elsewhere.

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Short, Sweet and to the point.....right on target. You ROCK MJ!!

[spirit wings]

Originally Posted by Lovebirds

It is my understanding that they ARE legal in PA. Sad.........I'd love to take their guns and stick em' where the sun don't shine............and pull the trigger.

you go girl!...I could'nt help but lol when I read this, it made my day....and of course I knew you did not mean it literally....who would:

[spirit wings]

I think we all agree that this pigeon shoot stuff these clubs do is down right barbaric...my husband and I hunt...there I said it....I asked him if he ever heard of this and he said no and that it sounded unethical and stupid. i know this is not about pro/hunt or non/hunt, and not one thing said here affends me. the question is is it right or wrong? common sense tells me it is wrong. non emotional plaine common sense....clubs like this one give hunters a bad name and thats a shame.

[Lovebirds]

Originally Posted by spirit wings

I think we all agree that this pigeon shoot stuff these clubs do is down right barbaric...my husband and I hunt...there I said it....I asked him if he ever heard of this and he said no and that it sounded unethical and stupid. i know this is not about pro/hunt or non/hunt, and not one thing said here affends me. the question is is it right or wrong? common sense tells me it is wrong. non emotional plaine common sense....clubs like this one give hunters a bad name and thats a shame.

That's fine. I know that lots of people here do things that others don't "like" or "agree" with.......it's all a personal choice and no one can force their views or beliefs on others.......but this arranged and methodical way to shoot an animal is just wrong, wrong, wrong......no matter how you look at it.

[Jay3]

How do they find sport in something like that? They ought to give the birds guns and make it even. All it is, is cruelty.