Oregon - Female Mallard Horribly Killed

[pigeonmama]

Better yet, make them work with a rescue/rehabber taking care of cleaning pens and animals (with supervision only) until they realise the impact of what they have done. The nastier the job, the better.
Daryl

[Margarret]

I couldn't look or read the article. That stuff gives me nightmares for years to come. Maggie, I totally agree that the identity of these juvies should be made known. We have gone overboard in our society, protecting kids who commit horrific crimes from public knowledge. We send the message that you can do anything and we will understand. The message the kid gets is that it is no big deal. In times gone by, pressure from the community helped define unacceptable behavior. We don't use that deterrent any longer. We hide it and leave it up to the justice system by keeping juvies identity anonymous.

Margaret

Originally Posted by Lady Tarheel

I read both articles. I don't think I have read an article or saw pictures that are as bad or unsettling as these are. It is a pity that juveniles are protected from their names being revealed or their photos being shown because these two should definitely be identified. If they can mutilate an innocent being like this mother duck, they're just a step away from mutilating a human.

Thank goodness there are still good kids out there like the one who turned them in. That took a lot of courage.

Poor little mother duck.

[wallflower]

Originally Posted by Snowbird Sue

I think you have a point there! "the old woodshed," or "behind the barn." either one will do. Oh, I'd cut the switch for them too!

That is part of the problem.Little bird and you condone using violence to punish for violence,it starts a visious circle.No living creature should ever be harmed,human or animal.If the kids are beaten it won't cure them it will make them madder and probably cause them to commit more horrible acts on animals and maybe people.They need to learn from this,having them work in a rehab is a great idea.Perhaps their hatred can be turned into compassion and love.While what they did was horrible,can you imagine how they were raised to allow them to behave like that? I feel very sorry for them.They need to be shown that THEY are loved,before they can learn to love others.

[Lady Tarheel]

Hi Wallflower

IMO, nothing was said by either Littlebird or Snowbird Sue to indicate they condone violence against any being. I don't think taking a kid behind a woodshed for a paddling constitutes violence - merely old-fashioned discipline.

I don't know Sue as well as I know Littlebird (Nona). Nona is a kind and gentle person who actively promotes the well-being of all animals.

Also, just my opinion, I believe most of the problems with youth such as these comes from not being disciplined or even paid any attention. They may raise themselves and are not taught that they are important and special in their own lives and reach the conclusion that life is not important. A well placed switch every now and then would probably help them learn that they are cared for.

I would suggest you carefully read past threads and posts so you can learn about the individual members before you criticize any one again.

[wallflower]

Originally Posted by Lady Tarheel

Hi Wallflower

IMO, nothing was said by either Littlebird or Snowbird Sue to indicate they condone violence against any being. I don't think taking a kid behind a woodshed for a paddling constitutes violence - merely old-fashioned discipline.

I don't know Sue as well as I know Littlebird (Nona). Nona is a kind and gentle person who actively promotes the well-being of all animals.

Also, just my opinion, I believe most of the problems with youth such as these comes from not being disciplined or even paid any attention. They may raise themselves and are not taught that they are important and special in their own lives and reach the conclusion that life is not important. A well placed switch every now and then would probably help them learn that they are cared for.

I would suggest you carefully read past threads and posts so you can learn about the individual members before you criticize any one again.

That's true whipping a child with a switch isn't cruel and violent. After all they do it to draft horses at the fair to make them pull harder! Past posts mean nothing,it only takes one post to come out to see someones true colors.In my opion hitting a child for any reason is unaccetable.If others are allowed to expess their opions,I should be granted the same.

[Lady Tarheel]

Well, of course you can express your opinion but words can sometimes hurt just as much as physical abuse and you're sure starting out your membership on the wrong foot. Constructive criticism is always welcomed but unwarranted verbal comments are not.

Just curious - do you kill flies, mosquitoes, ticks, roaches.......?

[wallflower]

Maggie,I would kill something that was attacking me or another human to cause harm or death ,be it a bear,mosquito,lion,flea etc. AS for roaches,sorry I can't answer that one I keep my house clean

[LokotaLoft]

I agree, whipping people with your words and veiws surely isnt the nicest way to get your points across are you just going thru threads to get them closed or what ?

[wallflower]

Again sorry for giving my opinion.No I'm not trying to get them closed.I've read some great posts on here and have talked with some good people already.Again sorry to have enough guts to speak up about cruelty to animals and people.People on the forum can respond to the aledged "Abuse" from me. Animals and kids can't.I just like how many people are against killing and abuse until in benefits them or their pocket books.

[LokotaLoft]

I think its more the actual lives of their pets then money ..I hate to see killing of any kind too but you did mention it was ok for you if it was against you or a human so even you have your breaking point as you stated

[John_D]

Wallflower ... voicing an opinion is one thing, but launching attacks on other members is quite another.

All ... this thread has gone way off topic, and enough is enough!

John

[Snowbird Sue]

Hey there, Wallflower. I don't believe in "ABUSE" of any animal or child. I DO believe in discipline. I don't know how you got that so confused. There is a BIG difference in ABUSE and DISCIPLINE.... How can you raise kids without discipline? They have to learn the difference between right and wrong, and they don't need to be "beat" for it, BUT, what I stated earlier in my post, is what those kids did to that duck, was just horrific; Did you see what they did? Then need to be disciplined for their actions and be accountable. Discipline never hurt anybody, and it is a sure fire way for these kids to learn. What would you do if your child was playing with matches? Would you wait until they burned themselves, or burn down a house before you teach them not to PLAY WITH MATCHES? Sure, these kids probably had a bad raising. No doubt. BUT, if they are stopped now, maybe we can save another life, be it an animal or another child.

[wallflower]

Lokota loft,That is because I do value ANY human lfe more than any animal's.Sorry John,just wanted to resond to the last post.I will not post anymore here and I'm going to try and stay away from any of the cruelty topics.

[Snowbird Sue]

John, Sorry, we were posting at the same time.

[wallflower]

John I apologize I didn't see Sues post and want to respond. Big difference between discipline and physical discipline. I'm done