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Old 17th April 2008, 02:04 PM
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how Can People Be That Sick-i Hope They All Rot In Hell -SOON
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Old 17th April 2008, 03:46 PM
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how Can People Be That Sick-i Hope They All Rot In Hell -SOON
Because they are NOT in the U.S........ This happened in "Honduras"....... Evidently, Honduras doesn't see it the way we do; Listen to jolley@5, and write letters, and complain, that is just about all WE can do. We cannot Police them........
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Old 17th April 2008, 04:35 PM
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Because they are NOT in the U.S........ This happened in "Honduras"....... Evidently, Honduras doesn't see it the way we do; Listen to jolley@5, and write letters, and complain, that is just about all WE can do. We cannot Police them........
I don't think this kind of stuff happens just in other countries. In 1996 a new department store opened in down town Portland. I don't remember the name but I think it's Sax's. I happened to be down town and was walking past the store to go to an appointment. The store wasn't open yet but there in the display window were manikins dressed in gorgeous clothes and scattered around them, a dozen or so dead house sparrows. It was an artistic display and a horrific sight to me. I doubt dead sparrows were come by naturally.
It took two days of complaining before finally the dead sparrow were removed.
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Old 17th April 2008, 04:51 PM
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I don't think this kind of stuff happens just in other countries. In 1996 a new department store opened in down town Portland. I don't remember the name but I think it's Sax's. I happened to be down town and was walking past the store to go to an appointment. The store wasn't open yet but there in the display window were manikins dressed in gorgeous clothes and scattered around them, a dozen or so dead house sparrows. It was an artistic display and a horrific sight to me. I doubt dead sparrows were come by naturally.
It took two days of complaining before finally the dead sparrow were removed.
I do understand that, my point was that we may not like what other countries do, but we cannot police all of them. Voice your opinions to the address Jolly@5 has provided. Sure, a LOT of things happen here, but we have laws that we can use to stop such behavior here. We can only voice our opinions and dislikes as to what is happening in Honduras. I DIDN'T say it was right or OK. I oppose it also. It is pure animal abuse, for sure. But I also doubt if we can actually "do" anything about it. One other thing, "cussing" on the board doesn't get anyone anywhere.
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Old 18th April 2008, 10:52 AM
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I called up Greenpeace, to see if they could do anything about it. They can't, but they said that the humane society is the place to contact.
The Humane Society International, on it's web site, has an artical about this so called artist.
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( on the right side of the page ) Starving dog as art incident (Must Read)

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Old 19th April 2008, 06:50 AM
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I signed the petition also.

Insanity insidiously seeps and takes hold of many, until it seems normal, then healthy, even artistic.

The mentally unhealthy communicate with the mentally unhealthy, make a din, and call it music.

By mis-using labels, such as good and educative and artistic, we permit ourselves and others to do things we know we shouldn't.

Each of us can do our own little part to keep from adding to the misery of others. Small steps add up to a long journey.

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Old 19th April 2008, 12:31 PM
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Old 19th April 2008, 06:57 PM
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Petition signed


Landy,

I just hope we will make a difference. There is no limit it seems to human cruelty and now it calls itself art.

Where are we going...

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Old 21st April 2008, 10:11 PM
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THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!! Maryjane, Charis, EgypSwiftLady, The Snipes, Lovebirds, jojo67, Snowbird Sue, Reti, ND Cooper, horsesgot6, Larry Cologne,
Solly, Clawsywp, Auroraborealis. We are only a ARMY of 15, but we all went to battle. You all rock! I have had no luck in hearing back from Bill O'Reilly of Fox News as of yet. Not sure how long it takes tfor them to review their
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Old 22nd April 2008, 02:40 AM
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that is horrible! I signed too
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Old 22nd April 2008, 10:05 AM
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Jolley@5;

I'm so glad you posted this petition here ~ I had not heard about it before!

It's so devastating, and I'm shocked not even one of those people who visited the exhibition helped the dog! I would've stolen that dog and ran as fast as I could've! I don't care if they had put me in jail for that.

It's so sad. And poor dog, such a beautiful little dog. No one deserves an ending like that.

I signed the petition now and made it into an e-mail, so I could forward it to almost 100 people! I hope there will be enough signatures, and I'll also contact an animal rights organization and see if they could do anything.

Let's just hope more dogs will NOT be killed and tortured by this so called 'artist'!

Even one saved life matters.

Thanks again for posting this petition here, Jolley@5, and all of you who kindly signed it.

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Old 22nd April 2008, 10:57 AM
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But I also doubt if we can actually "do" anything about it. One other thing, "cussing" on the board doesn't get anyone anywhere.
Snowbird Sue,

I truly think and know we CAN do something about it! Behind every progress and action there are people like us, who care and want a change. There's been so much progress in animal welfare over the years, and even though the work will never end, animals get saved everyday.

When cases like this get attention, the possibility for a change is also much greater. Public awareness is the first step for the better. Action in other countries has also been possible.

A girl once said to me "what's the point to be vegetarian, because it doesn't make any difference anyway, one person alone can't make a difference" ~ how wrong was she? If everyone thought that way, there would be no progress. But even in an election, every vote counts ~ it's not the first time when just one vote has brought the victory. Once we acknowledge our power as individuals, we act and join as a group ~ that's when the change can also happen.

It's great to talk about something like this in a forum, because yet again it's spreading the word around ~ and what has happened so far? More people have signed the petition and even different international organizations have been contacted about the case. And it's not unusual for people to travel to other countries to protest; there are people out there who passionately live for causes they believe in.

So yes, it IS possible to do something! It is possible to save the next dog from being killed by this horrible 'artist'. The more public awareness, the bigger our changes are ~ we hope for the best, right?
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Old 22nd April 2008, 11:16 AM
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Here's some recent info about the case;

(From: http://www.wspa-usa.org/pages/2341_n...or_cruelty.cfm )

"No excuses for cruelty

In 2007, artist Guillermo Vargas showed an emaciated live dog in a Nicaraguan gallery. Despite public outcry, the country's lack of animal welfare laws meant he faced no consequences. This year, when Vargas was invited to compete in an art show in Honduras, WSPA and member society the Honduras Association for the Protection of Animals and their Environment (AHPRA) acted to ensure this cruelty could not be repeated by any artist.

Elly Hiby, WSPA's Head of Companion Animals, commented: “Information regarding the treatment and fate of the dog used in the 2007 exhibition is inconsistent, but for WSPA – irrespective of the exact outcome – chaining a dog without food or water for public entertainment is a reprehensible abuse”. Our attempts to discuss the matter with Vargas' representative were met with silence.

But images from the Nicaraguan gallery were not forgotten. When Vargas was invited to enter the VI Central American Visual Arts Biennale (to be held in Honduras this year), an independent internet petition against the artist and his work attracted over two million signatures. WSPA sought a meeting with Business Owners for Art (Empresarios por el Arte), one of the sponsors of the Honduras Biennale.

In the meeting, WSPA's representative gave sound welfare arguments against the work shown in Nicaragua and formally requested that the Honduras AHPRA be invited to observe the Biennale exhibition.

After pressure from WSPA, the Honduras AHPRA and the public, the Biennial organizers have agreed not only to make AHPRA official observers but also to include new competition rules that prohibit the abuse of animals.

While we are satisfied that no-one will be able to abuse animals in the name of art during this forthcoming exhibition, stronger laws need to be in place that prohibit animal cruelty. WSPA and member society UCC are currently supporting a campaign, led by the Commission for Natural Resources and Environment of the Nicaraguan Assembly, calling for legislation to protect animals in Nicaragua."
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Old 22nd April 2008, 11:32 AM
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Snowbird Sue,

I truly think and know we CAN do something about it! Behind every progress and action there are people like us, who care and want a change. There's been so much progress in animal welfare over the years, and even though the work will never end, animals get saved everyday.

When cases like this get attention, the possibility for a change is also much greater. Public awareness is the first step for the better. Action in other countries has also been possible.

A girl once said to me "what's the point to be vegetarian, because it doesn't make any difference anyway, one person alone can't make a difference" ~ how wrong was she? If everyone thought that way, there would be no progress. But even in an election, every vote counts ~ it's not the first time when just one vote has brought the victory. Once we acknowledge our power as individuals, we act and join as a group ~ that's when the change can also happen.

It's great to talk about something like this in a forum, because yet again it's spreading the word around ~ and what has happened so far? More people have signed the petition and even different international organizations have been contacted about the case. And it's not unusual for people to travel to other countries to protest; there are people out there who passionately live for causes they believe in.

So yes, it IS possible to do something! It is possible to save the next dog from being killed by this horrible 'artist'. The more public awareness, the bigger our changes are ~ we hope for the best, right?
I totally agree! Thank you. We are all more connected than we ever have been before. For example, I could be in New Zealand in a mere 18 hours via air.... throught the internet, my words can arrive in seconds... The world is shrinking. If I don't stand up for what I believe in, I can't sleep at night.
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Old 22nd April 2008, 12:17 PM
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Ippychick thanks for that update, it is really good news.
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