Please help saving Wildlife Refuges in Alaska!

[Charis]

Originally Posted by SmithFamilyLoft

So the day I die, the grand kids, and great grand kids will then turn into popsicles ?

Absolutely!

[KIPPY]

these hoaxer's want us to go back to the horse and buggie days....except that the horses produce methaine gas...and so they will have to go to !! The whole world has gone insane.

I think they just want another reason to tax the hell out of us.

They want us to live in fear global warming, bird flu, west niles, killer bees, water shortage, wheat shortage, mold.The list goes on....................

The whole world has gone insane.

The more gas they find the more money they make. You can never have enough of that.

Signed it!

[Charis]

Bumping up!

[SmithFamilyLoft]

I found an interesting article concerning this topic. Under the title "It's time for drilling in Alaska".

...."A recent report by the U.S. Geological Survey confirmed oil exploration in ANWR would have little, if any, negative environmental impact on the wildlife native to the Refuge".......

http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.as...9671&comview=1

Among other things, this article also states:

......"While neither approach will give U.S. consumers complete independence, new ANWR oil exploration would provide a less costly and decidedly more effective way to reduce U.S. dependence on foreign oil than government regulations designed to reduce consumption. The largest North American oil discovery in decades, reserves now located beneath Alaska's arctic tundra are estimated to be large enough to provide the equivalent of 30 years of Saudi crude; a sizeable amount considering that the U.S. now imports more oil from Saudi Arabia than any other country in the world.

Drilling in ANWR would create thousands of jobs and help the U.S. economy grow. Attempts to reduce consumption with higher fuel efficiency standards would, if temporarily, raise vehicle prices, reduce vehicle safety and stifle efforts to revive an already weak U.S. economy. Even with expanded domestic oil supply, OPEC price reductions would still mean higher prices for U.S. consumers. But a more diverse oil supply would help mitigate short-term price fluctuations.".......

At first, like many people, I thought to myself, yes....let's preserve all this area...then I thought of the pain and suffering of millions of American's who must perhaps go with little heat in the winter, or forgo the needed things in life, like shoes for their kids, etc. And then I thought to myself, why can't we have both ? The extra cost of oil affects everything from gas in our cars, to food on our tables, even our pigeon feed !! A few thousand acres, out of millions of acres, seems like a fair price to pay in order to allow people to drive to work, heat their homes, and feed their kids. I love animals, but I also love people. We must have some balance in this regard....at least that is my humble opinion on the subject.

[spirit wings]

it's suppy and demand, I love my suv, but we may end up like europe in those tiny little cars! We put a man on the moon, I'm sure we can protect wildlife and get our oil.

[SmithFamilyLoft]

Originally Posted by SmithFamilyLoft

I can not only read, but also feel your passion. I disagree with your assement that it is because of "Greedy Oil Companies"....I think it is because most of us need to get to work in the morning, and many of us drive cars, and they burn gasoline. In fact the whole national economy is depending on oil to fuel our cars, heat our homes, and run our places of business. There is nothing available right now, which can totally replace oil. There may very well be more oil in Alaska, then in the middle east. I want to be able to run my car, and heat my home, and I want to be able to turn the lights on in my house. At some point, and I don't know if it is $4 gas or $6 gas, or even $9 a gallon for gas, people are going to demand access to the fuel which keeps us alive. And for those who are old enough to remember the 1973-74 oil embargo, it was not about price, it was about availability. People waited in lines for hours in order to purchase a few gallons at controlled prices. This land is owned by the goverment, and the people are the goverment. Whatever the good Senator may do in favor of some good press, can be undone by future politicans who want to keep their jobs. And I am pretty sure if prices doubled over the next year, we the owners of that land, will demand access to it.

Gee....when I wrote the above, I'm not even sure that oil had yet broken $100 a barrel, today oil was at $146 a barrel , and now $150 which seemed unthinkable last year, may soon be here. Gas at the pump is "only" in the $4 and change range...and yet already people in various polls are saying DRILL ! DRILL ! DRILL !.....if they are saying that now when it's only $146.....what's going to happen if the price continues to rise ? This year alone, we will convert something like 100,000,000 tons of corn to fuel, and already food shortages are being felt around the world, and people are actually starving to death !

In a previous post, I mistakenly used the number of 2,000,000 acres....I mispoke...the area is closer to 21,000,000 acres, of which only 2,000 acre "footprint" is needed, that's like a postage stamp on a football field.

At any rate, we are watching history in the making. The largest transfer of wealth in all of recorded history is taking place right before our eyes. Billions of US dollars a day, are flowing to the middle east, just so we don't place any equipment on a tiny portion of 21,000,000 acres, it's insane.

PS. Americans...Happy Independence Day !

[LostPinesLoft]

I am part of the evil oil producing industry, and am sick of the scare tactics and holier than though environmentalists. Regulations require and the market has dictated the oil producers to minimize environmental impact, most areas where production is viable result in improved habitat for wildlife,(the big barometer used by amateurs in assessing environmental impact), i could go on forever but ive seen firsthand over the past 35 years in the industry, how every year our industry have been cussed and shamed for their ehnvironmental policies while all the time improving that same record without receiving any credit for the improvements. Much research and habitat rehabilitation happens with funds provided by this evil, greedy, industry.
The "Al Gores" zip around in private jets live in houses using twenty times the energy average and bad mouth oil producers and pretend to be environmentalists.
If you take that tack, do your homework and you will find ANWR is a red herring. Environmentalists are on the wrong side of this one for sure.

Drill, keep it clean, and prosper.

VL

[Pidgey]

Drilling there will help, but only a little. The part that they want to drill on is like the North Slope of Alaska, which I've been to on behalf of the evil oil companies. Their techniques are excessively clean and the animals couldn't care less. Actually, you have to go through some training to NOT leave any food laying around (wrappers, etc.) because they'll come up and eat it. They're in no way bothered by the rigs or the pipeline.

The real reason that there is a movement to keep it from happening isn't actually because of the animals--it's all about the elites trying to save some oil for their future and they couldn't care less about the rest of us. Peak Oil is here and that's exactly why "they" wanted to save some by slowing the economy way down years ago. The price is going up because of several factors, but mostly because the types of oil that we're increasingly finding is more difficult to get and to process. I've been in discussions with our resident petroleum engineer (a Chem E) about how not to get snookered by some of these third-worlders who want to buy a piece of equipment to process some very heavy oil (desalting) but don't really want to tell you how much paraffin and aromatics are in it. I think they want to get you to give a process guarantee that you can't really make so that they can keep from paying the entire bill.

Anyhow, we're drilling all over the place right now (a VERY expensive thing to do) and aren't replacing the reserves at the rate we're using them. As such, it's going sky-high until enough "demand destruction" occurs to bring demand down to the level of supply. The upshot of that is that several million folks on our planet are going to have to die or go back to the Stone Age, which will amount to the same thing.

Pidgey

[Charis]

I'm just as frightened/frustrated with the cost of gas, food and energy as everyone else but drilling in Alaska isn't going to change the cost of gas.
We need to stop living like we are the last generation, or we will be. JMPO