Shame Of Pennsylvania

[outlawedlofts]

totally Disgusting!!

[Lilito54]

Only a Few Days Left to Protect Puppies and Pigeons in Pennsylvania

The Pennsylvania state legislature is about to adjourn and two important bills are still awaiting action.

Legislation (H.B. 2525) to crack down on puppy mills in Pennsylvania passed the House of Representatives last week! This was an historic victory in the "puppy mill capital of the east." H.B. 2525 will overhaul Pennsylvania's Dog Law and impose stronger animal welfare standards for puppy mills. This bill needs to pass the Senate before the legislature adjourns.

Legislation to stop pigeon shoots is also awaiting action in the legislature. This legislation has been amended on to several related bills that are scheduled to receive a vote in the House of Representatives. The opposition continues to be vigilant against our efforts, so it is critical to keep up the pressure. The Majority Leader of the House, Representative William DeWeese, has the power to bring the pigeon shoot amendments up for a vote, so he needs to hear from Pennsylvanians who support this legislation.

TAKE ACTION
1. Please make a brief, polite phone call to your state senator, Michael Stack, at (717) 787-9608 to urge support for H.B. 2525 to overhaul the Dog Law and give stronger protections for dogs in breeding facilities. After making your call, please send a follow-up email to Senator Stack in support of H.B. 2525. If you can't call, be sure to send an e-mail.

2. Please make a brief, polite phone call to Rep. DeWeese, Majority Leader of the House, at (724) 627-8683 to urge him to support the pigeon shoot amendments and use his leadership role to bring the amendments up for a vote. When you call, you can say:

"Hello, my name is [your name] and I'm calling from [your town] to ask Representative DeWeese to support Representative Leach's efforts to amend a Title 18 bill to ban the shooting of trap-released or tethered animals for target practice. I urge him to give these amendments a vote. It’s time to finally prohibit pigeon shoots in Pennsylvania. Thank you." If you can't call, please send an e-mail or fax ASAP to: E-Mail: Click here to contact Member
http://www.pahouse.com/Deweese/contact.asp

Hon. H. William DeWeese
222 Elm Drive
Suite 101, P.O. Box 832
Waynesburg, PA 15370
(724) 627-8683
Fax: (724) 627-6043

Hon. H. William DeWeese
110 Main Capitol Building
PO Box 202050
Harrisburg, PA 17120-2050
(717) 783-3797
Fax: (717) 772-3605

[karijo]

i said "poke a stick"?

heck no! i was thinking more like, my thumb.
geez.

like a gentle but to the point good old thumb in the eye.
and not in the name of PETA.

As a jew, I have to take some offense here and can hardly see how you can even in the most extreme remotest way compare a group like PETA, aimed at saving and protecting the lives of innocent creatures, with the Nazi's and the KKK, clearly after a much much different agenda. Come on. I think you're being a little bit of an extremist, no?

I was simply trying to offer the suggestion that these are groups working towards a kinder life for animals - they aren't even for a moment suggesting a less kind life for scientists, farmers, pet owners, etc. They are about relieving pain and suffering, not spreading it. I was only trying to help you see beyond a viewpoint that seemed to me lacking an understanding of the "true agenda" of these groups, because I think you have been mislead somewhere into thinking these groups support radical behavior, when they assert that they do not.

I think in your reply you lost sight of the point you originally made, and the point you are defending. I agree with you that extremists in the animal rights sect can take things too far - what I am trying to explain to you is that it is incorrect to lump PETA and HSUS, education based organizations, in with those people and groups.

I hope my message is clearer to you.

Meanwhile, "And when groups and their supporters start down the road of lobbying, demonstrations, etc. they are expressing and promoting political views and agendas" ?
Erm... isn't that the whole point? Change is a result of action and education, and lobbying and demonstrating. Are you equally opposed to groups you support lobbying and demonstrating and expressing and promoting political views and agendas? How would you propose to bring about change in the causes you believe in, no matter what they are? Bumperstickers and clever t-shirts can only take us so far.

[SmithFamilyLoft]

Originally Posted by karijo

......Meanwhile, "And when groups and their supporters start down the road of lobbying, demonstrations, etc. they are expressing and promoting political views and agendas" ?
Erm... isn't that the whole point? Change is a result of action and education, and lobbying and demonstrating. Are you equally opposed to groups you support lobbying and demonstrating and expressing and promoting political views and agendas? How would you propose to bring about change in the causes you believe in, no matter what they are? Bumperstickers and clever t-shirts can only take us so far.

I think my point is/was, that these pages may not be the best place to do lobbying and/or promoting of political views and such for another group. The organizations which you belong to, have their own web sites and blogs in which members who support such things can go to. I may belong to the Future Farmers of America, the NRA National Rifle Association, Beef Growers Association, or other such organizations which also have viewpoints about animals and their care, but I don't attempt to use these pages to promote their viewpoints and/or attempt to find fault with those who don't hold their views as gospel.........there was once a famous American who said "Extremism in pursuit of Liberty is no Vice"...most American's did not agree apparently with his assessment, since he lost the election by a landslide. And I suspect that many would also have a problem with "Extremism in pursuit of Animal Rights, is no Vice"....well that's my final two cents on this particular subject.

[karijo]

Hey, I was simply responding to the original slandering of vegans as radical animal rights activists with secret agendas.

Spoken like the sissy vegan I am, "THEY started it!"


"Originally Posted by risingstarfans
I am aware of the source of the footage, and you are right, it is an attempt to get donations for the Humane Society of the United States and People bor the Ethical Treatment of Animals. Both of these groups are radical vegans whose true agenda is the abolishment of the keeping and use of any animals whether as food, fur or family pets. Or even as a hobby. Do not confuse the HSUS with the real Humane Society founded over 120 years ago that do good works...."

[Lilito54]

PA State Police Misconduct - Corrupt Cop

An Illinois animal protection organization has filed a complaint with the Internal Affairs Division of the Pennsylvania State Police relating to a pigeon shoot held at the Strausstown Rod and Gun Club Sunday, November 23, 2008.

The incident involved State Police Corporal Kenneth J. Winter, who violated the rights of citizens, using intimidation and threats of police action to eject them from public easement outside the gun club.

A video of the incident was posted on YouTube for the world to see at:

PA State Police Misconduct
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI8qxeyMcuQ

[TAWhatley]

PA State Police Misconduct - Corrupt Cop

Very, very disturbing at several levels. I'm sure the complaint against the officer will eventually wend it's way through the bureaucracy so I'm not going to lose much sleep over that, but the extreme brutality to the pigeons from the children is sickening and the stuff of which nightmares are made. It's bad enough that the pigeons were shot in the first place but to then let the birds suffer and ultimately die from being kicked, hit, and sqashed by kids is extreme cruelty. This is just my personal opinion, and others are certainly entitled to theirs.

Terry

[Lilito54]

In my opinion, these children are being abused by the adults around them. It is not in children's nature to mistreat living beings. Cruelty towards animals, specially this kind of senseless bloody butchery is learned behavior.
These kids are subjected by adults to witness and participate in horrendous, barbarous acts but I very much doubt they enjoy it.
If authorities were more sensitive to children's needs they would not allow the abuse. Hunting for "pleasure" (destroying, annihilating) live animals is not a right of passage for any human being with a soul. It is just shameful and disgusting!

[Charis]

Originally Posted by Lilito54

In my opinion, these children are being abused by the adults around them. It is not in children's nature to mistreat living beings. Cruelty towards animals, specially this kind of senseless bloody butchery is learned behavior.
These kids are subjected by adults to witness and participate in horrendous, barbarous acts but I very much doubt they enjoy it.
If authorities were more sensitive to children's needs they would not allow the abuse. Hunting for "pleasure" (destroying, annihilating) live animals is not a right of passage for any human being with a soul. It is just shameful and disgusting!

I agree with you 100%.

[John_D]

Does anyone have any update on the legislation about the pigeon shoots?

If not, then there's nothing more in the way of 'news and advocacy' to say on this thread until we actually get some news.

John

[Lilito54]

Here's an update

http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/230823

[John_D]

As this was early November, how does one find out what did happen to the bill?

The House meets this Wednesday and will decide if H.B. 2130 gets passed. If so, the Bill moves forward into the Senate for approval and then to the Governor where it becomes law.

Haven't seen any more (apart from the other 'update' posted here) on NYBC forum.

John