Shame Of Pennsylvania

[Lilito54]

Thanks to SHARK for this exposure of savage sadism and thanks to the
New York Bird Club for passing it on. For those of us who deeply care
about wild birds, most specially our brilliant Feral Rock Pigeon, the
actions of these people are beyond barbaric and diabolic.

http://www.sharkonline.org/indexbirdshoots.mv

[Trees Gray]

Not to mention, they are teaching their children the same (for fun and sport?) , it sets the standards of degradation of society to a whole new low.

[Charis]

Makes me physically ill and incredibly sad.

[Lovebirds]

I couldn't get past the first few seconds of the first video. Totally disgusting........shame on our human race.

[Max1170]

My heart is pumping out of my chest with anger! Where does this take place in Pennsylvania?

[silverbranch]

I have no idea. I lived the first 18 years of my life in rural Pennsylvania, my Dad was an avid hunter and "gun nut", and I still own a home there. I have NEVER seen or heard of anything like this. As I child we would go to "turkey shoots" all the time, and in fact I even won one. But the turkey was the prize, not what we were shooting at. It was almost a game of chance more than target shooting, they'd take a square pieces of wood 3 or 4 inches across and draw an X on them. Then people would shoot at them with shotguns. The person who got a pellet closest to the center of the X won the frozen turkey. But the term "turkey shoot" sounds pretty bad to someone who didn't know what it was about.

Anyway, I wish they'd have been a little more specific about where and when as I guess I'm a little aggravated at the insinuation that the entire state of Pennsylvania is blasting pigeons for fun.

[Lilito54]

These shootings have been going on for a long time, they are held at private shooting clubs in PA. Most of the members are also members of the NRA.
Look at these articles from the Humane Society of the US.
http://www.hsus.org/wildlife_abuse/n...on_shoots.html

[Ivor]

I can't believe how cruel they are with animals, I couldn't even watch the videos, I didn't hear about any other state doing such a thing, is hard to believe that normal people or normal children can do this, that make me sick.

[Max1170]

Originally Posted by Lilito54

These shootings have been going on for a long time, they are held at private shooting clubs in PA. Most of the members are also members of the NRA.
Look at these articles from the Humane Society of the US.
http://www.hsus.org/wildlife_abuse/n...on_shoots.html

NRA, I am a member of the NRA and if I find out that the NRA is involved It will be the last for me.. I am going to write a letter and find more out!

Max

[Pegasus]

Originally Posted by Lovebirds

...shame on our human race.

And they call pigeons; rats with wings and I'm wondering who got a tiny brain now...

Okay, I'm only going to state my personal opinion on how people act when they are out in the place where there's nothing to do but crappy things and involving animals that are so innocent...Why can't this PEOPLE do something productive instead of shooting animals or killing them... They are going to wonder why younger generations do these things in schools or public places...Next thing we know, sports will be; "who can shoot more human head in the wilderness" since animals will be in extinction...I apologize to others if my statement is so offensive...

[Jay3]

These people are sick. And the sad thing is that they are infecting the next generation. And we are supposed to be the more intelligent. The one with feelings for another of Gods creatures. Sad that the state of Pa. allows for this disgusting display. Imagine someone so lacking in conscience, or in any kind of caring of how much another feeling creature suffers. Now imagine putting many of these people all together to enjoy tormenting and torturing animals. How disgusting and horrifying is that thought? The state of Pa. should be ashamed of itself, as am I that these individuals are part of the human race.

[Cyn79]

Are you freakin' kindin' ME! What the hell is wrong with these people? That is SICK!!! I'm not against hunting but that is just cruel. But you don't toture birds for some target practice!!! CRUEL CRUEL and then to teach children it is okay to torture to these animals!!!! Not Right!!!

[SmithFamilyLoft]

Originally Posted by Lilito54

Thanks to SHARK for this exposure of savage sadism and thanks to the
New York Bird Club for passing it on. For those of us who deeply care
about wild birds, most specially our brilliant Feral Rock Pigeon, the
actions of these people are beyond barbaric and diabolic.

http://www.sharkonline.org/indexbirdshoots.mv

This footage is of course very graphic and designed to get a response out of you in terms of a donation. To the best of my knowlege, this is very old footage from events of long ago. Public outrage from events such as the "Higgins Pigeon Shoot", caused so much outrage that no such event has been held since.

This site leads one to think that these events still occur, and that the site was some how involved in putting an end to such practices. I suspect that the operator simply has collected this footage and now hopes to profit from it, by your donations.

My only suggestion is "Donator Beware". Now if someone has advance information of such an event to take place, then that information would be worth something, as local news organizations and the Pa. SPCA would like to know about it. Simply collecting old news footage of such events and then trying to profit from it, may or may not be something that one should support.

Some of this footage was carried on local news channels, the sourse may have been undercover SPCA agents, and hopefully such events are now only part of a sad history.

[Lilito54]

The fact that they ask for donations does not mean these barbarities have stopped, all animal advocates organizations or groups (ie. Peta, Humane Society of the United States, ASPCA, IDA) ask for donations.
I live in New York City and here we are very aware of pigeon netters and where they take the pigeons: Mostly private shooting clubs in PA.
The netters get from 3 to 10 US Dollars for each pigeon they take there.
If you want more information, you can look into the following (very creditable) sites:

http://www.hsus.org/press_and_public...ot_072808.html

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/07/...8301217174543/

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07272008...ey__121825.htm

http://naturecalendar.wordpress.com/...netter-netted/

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...comment-421934


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
--HERBERT SPENCER

[SmithFamilyLoft]

Originally Posted by Lilito54

The fact that they ask for donations does not mean these barbarities have stopped, all animal advocates organizations or groups (ie. Peta, Humane Society of the United States, ASPCA, IDA) ask for donations.
I live in New York City and here we are very aware of pigeon netters and where they take the pigeons: Mostly private shooting clubs in PA.
The netters get from 3 to 10 US Dollars for each pigeon they take there.
If you want more information, you can look into the following (very creditable) sites....

The fact that some person or group asks for donations, does not mean that live bird shoots still exist either. Some groups you mention are far from creditable.

I live right here in Pa., and we are very aware that many of our pigeons are shipped to NYC to be eaten !!

I also belong to a so called "Gun Club"...here in Pa. all I am asking, is give me a name and location of one of these shooting clubs where they pay $3 to $10 per pigeon to shoot at !?

The dirty little secret is, they are being eaten, not shot and thrown away !

All I have seen up to this point on the sites you listed, are old historic film footage and groups asking for money to help stop the killing. When under Pa. Law, these events are already illegal. You say these are creditable sites, just wondering how you draw that conclusion ? From what I have seen, they are being intellectually dishonest and attempting to profit from old shocking film footage.

Throw up a cheap web site, put up some old shocking file footage...and while the people are still in shock, hopefully collect $10 or $20from them while they are still in tears. Do this a few hundred times a week, and you have a nice little second income. Sorry, I don't buy it, and I am offended that this lie of "Shooting Clubs in Pa." is being repeated without any evidence. We effectly put this practice out of business in this state years ago, and people and groups mostly outside the state, are still trying to make money from it.