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[zoo keeper]

Originally Posted by Pigeonpal2002

Hi Phil,

Zoo Keeper is not a moderator, but I am. You are out of line here, and your words to some of the members are insulting and belittling. I'm asking you nicely, PLEASE DROP THE SUBJECT. You've monopolized this entire thread and probably succeeded in scaring James away for a second time.

Gosh Brad, I hope that is not how it came out as me being a moderator, I know I am not. I was just trying to get Phil to see he is posting out of line. Thanks for talking to him. I really feel bad for James.

Good job as a moderator

[pdpbison]

Hi Norwhich guy,


Cool...

I take it then you did not insist they spend their life as forced dependants, to see if you could make them like you? - that your Birds were allowed to fly and to individually assume adulthood and to grow up and elect autonomy for themselves if that were their desire? And thayt you were fond of them, and them of you, and everything was decent and easy in those ways?

Seems fine to me...

I have had many recovered ferlals, who, for having been my (de facto ) 'prisoners' while ill, and, untill they were well, live, or lived here in cages.

Once well, and fit, if they wished to leave, they left. Sometimes, some wished to stay.

Fine with me, sometimes they stayed.

Once 'well' for some week or two, my method always has been for their 'Cages' (sometimes in turn, sometimes all together, depending on the Birds themselves) to remain "open" and all through it, their Cages respectfully belonged to them, allways, and I amcareful to be respectful to their boundaries or comforts in various ways, when I need to change Water Bowls or Seeds Bowls or bandage then or give meds or whatever. I am careful in how I interact with them to do these things. Some are very comfortable, some take a while to be comfortable.

Once well enough, they nap, roost, or perch where or as they like, and tend to elect to ocupy their cage only to eat or drink, and, so far as I could tell, were universally happy and vivid and comfortable at these phases of recovery and impending release.

When I am satisfied they are ready and fit to resume feral occupations, they follow me out side and fly around or fly off, as they see fit. Sometimes they fly back in later, sometimes they go back, I imagine, to the lives and loved ones they had been away from during their convelescence with me.

Sometimes they would bring home a mate from their newly resumed flying adventures...then, with that mate, make-a-nest and hatch their Eggs and raise wonderful Babys, who, when they grew up, would either leave when old enough, according to their own independant interior decisions, or, sometimes one would elect to stay...

On and on...

I never catpured any Bird just because I could, to force it into some submission or dependance, or, to see if I could make it isolated enough to bend to my will or whim, while pretending to do so because I 'cared' about it.

Maybe you can see the difference here, while sadly, some of us can not.

Thanks for your mentions!

Best wishes...!

Phil
Las Vegas

[pdpbison]

Hi Pigeonpal2002,


Forgive me, but if others are insulting me, are you willing to correct them?

You have not so far, nor have you mentioned it having even happenned.


If I am being referenced and replied to, I am guilty of "monopolizeing" a thread if I
reply?


I have remained constructive or straight-shooting, even when others have not.


I made a proposal and asked for 'Zookeeper' to substantiate his smarmy attribution of a 'comparison', and veiled insults, with their provideing links to those thread of mine which he-she feels are 'flipped out and wierd".

He/she then says I 'remind' them of someone...okay, meanwhile, where or when have I fliupped out or become 'wierd'?

If I were to say how "THEY"...'remind' me of some unflattering comparison, would you then find fault with me while ignoreing their 'insult'?

He or she can make comparisons which they do not substantiate, which are subjective, and which are not made clear, and they did not constructively elaborate on them , or back the attribution, where, my initial mention I have already reiterated many times with clearifyinf digressions or elaborations.

I think you are in error here to find me at fault for anything. Moreso, to do so while others have done a great deal to confuse and muddy the issues here.

I have started a new thread on 'ethics' as I proposed, whether 'Zookeeper' has merely made their cheap shots and retreated, or not.

If you wish me to refrain from any further postings in this thread, please show me how how others who have escalated it should be allowed to continue? Or how I shouls not be allowed to reply when they do?


Thank you,


Phil
Las Vegas

[zoo keeper]

Phil

Since you have now chosen to address me. Let me say a few words.

My original post to you was a comparison of your behavior and a former member. He was member, then not a member, then a member again, then banned. The first time he was a member, he started making post completely off base as you are doing now.

You are attacking someone from you own personal opinion and ZERO facts. Your posts continue to get worse and more strange. If I did not know better I would think you were intoxicated with the post you are placing here. You need to have proof or facts before you talk so stern to someone. You need something to back up your attacks and you dont have anything to back them up with other than your own personal opinion.

Brad has warned you to calm down. I hope you heed the warning.

It is looking like you have run off a new member when you are only speculating on something you dont know to be fact. You do not know this child, have not talked to him, you dont know anything except what you have formulated up in YOUR head.

I think you need a chill pill and need to apologize to James. That is if he ever comes back to see it.

I hope Brad continues to monitor your activity.

PS I am a lady ... not a he/she

[feralpigeon]

I feel a little robbed here. Felt like the mood of the group had gone thru a hard
time, Phil had agreed to deal w/the topic that he was upset about as a separate thread, apologized, we apologized to James, and James spoke up and
expressed what it was like to "live" through the experience. We were in the
process of licking wounds, when instead of addressing in a separate thread
so that James could respond to some of the posts, here we go again. Who will
start a new thread so that James may feel included again? Because that was
what was happening.

[zoo keeper]

FP,

Good Post!!!! I think James is the seeing the bad side of this forum. I will gladly start a new thread for James.

[Pigeonpal2002]

Dear Members,

It's come to that time in the thread, closing time. Unfortunately the arguments haven't solved one thing other than maybe detering a young person from returning to the forum. We are not here to judge, read into things about an individuals way of saying things or style of writing. Written words on forums online can often be misinterpretted and the benefit of the doubt should always be extended to that person.