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[Pidgey]

Aias, you've got Enroxil tablets? What's it say on the bottle?

Birds can experience "alopecia" (localized balding, feathers or hair) from an underlying inflammation or an inflammatory process. It's so much easier to diagnose (that something's wrong) when you can see a visible lump but that's not the case with this little guy as is plain in the picture. There used to be linked pictures (high quality) in the thread about Calvin's bird but they didn't work the last time I checked. They can also "wear" bald places like Phil's bird, Crow-Baby, did due to the fact that he had to be manipulated some for virtually every feeding but that shouldn't be the case here.

Pidgey

[Aias]

we have enroflaxyn but the label was taped up or something, on the same bottle, written by hand it says " #595 enroxil" each tablet is 7.5mg. is enroflaxyn the same as enroxil?

Originally Posted by Pidgey

Aias, you've got Enroxil tablets? What's it say on the bottle?
Pidgey

[Pidgey]

Yeah. Do you know what the bird weighs?

Pidgey

[Pidgey]

For instance, in the old formulary, Baytril (Enrofloxacin and several other names usually starting with "Enro-") was dosed at 15 milligrams per kilogram of bird, orally (but there are other ways involving giving shots) twice daily (written: 15 mg/kg, PO, BID). So, a fairly heavy pigeon (500 grams or 1/2 of a kilogram and this guy ain't) would get about 7.5 milligrams, twice daily. One of those pills in the morning and one in the evening.

This bird probably weighs less than half that but not by a lot. So, the easiest thing would be to give it 1/2 of a pill in the morning and the other 1/2 in the evening to stay with that old formulary listing.

Pidgey

[feralpigeon]

Aias, I know what you mean about getting too excited, they can just barely
contain themselves when it's feeding time. What you might try is taking a dish
towel and burrito-ing this baby so that you get some relief from h/her 'hamming'
it up w/the wings and shoulders.

Most of the babies I pick up are sick and that's why they aren't w/the parents in the nest or nesting area....they've sadly been bumped as a 'survival risk' and this is just part of feral life. The bald area may be from mites, but honestly, I think you are doing the right thing by giving the Carnidazole/generic Baytril combo. I usually find some evidence of canker along w/balding especially in that area. Might want to pick yourselves up an Otoscope at a Walgreens or the like as they are good for getting a look a bit further down. Colette, previously Cole had that balding w/unbelievably abnormal tissue appeance in the esophagus yet no visible signs of canker lesions per se, but her poops were unbelievably sour/Canker smelling when I took her in. She also had quite the hot spot towards the base of her crop.

fp

[cyro51]

That baby is adorable. Is the baldness even on both sides? I have noticed that when it is caused by canker it will be uneven, occuring on the outside of the area where the canker lesion has formed. But I would treat for canker anyway.

She reminds me of my poor Chico when she arrived, but I think in her case the bald spots were due to bullying.

Cynthia

[Aias]

pidgey the bird weighs between 160 and 180 grams, hard to tell since we live in the bermuda triangle or something none the scales we have tried stay at zero. even nona's scale which worked perfectly at her home fails to work here.

fp, oh yeah the baby is burrito'd alright but with all that squeaking and nuzzling for food it is still a challenge, without a doubt the most challenging squeaker we have ever had. and the baby is mostly bold on the back as well. i cant get a photo of that until sabina arrives to help me.

[feralpigeon]

Colette is a bit of a challenge as well in that I have to literally pry her
upper and lower beak open even though she's completely excited about
feeding time....go figure.

fp

[Pidgey]

I suppose I'd be hoping that there was just a deficiency that you'd be effectively treating by way of giving it formula. Frankly, that's probably one of the most effective things we do.

I think I know the exact pill that you've got and it's got a half-pill indentation that makes it easy to split. You could try dividing it into thirds but that one's pretty crumbly (which isn't a bad way to go--to crush and then divide into piles that you can mix into the formula).

Pidgey

[Aias]

maybe this baby is colettes long lost twin because that is exactly the problem i have. pidgey i am giving it formula, next feeding is in the next 10 min. will crush the third and add it to the formula.

[feralpigeon]

Originally Posted by Aias

maybe this baby is colettes long lost twin because that is exactly the problem i have. pidgey i am giving it formula, next feeding is in the next 10 min. will crush the third and add it to the formula.

Pretty funny that they do this, Colette is the first one that I've had that is
just so intense about it. Takes quite a bit of maneuvering to pry her determined little closed mandibles apart, lol.

fp

[Pidgey]

And the shorter your fingernails are, the tougher it is to do (prying their beaks open). I try not to trim mine when there's a sickie in the house.

Pidgey

[feralpigeon]

I don't pry that way, in fact, I use the fleshy part of the forefinger gently pushing up on the upper beak. There is usually enough of a length difference
for me to advantage from. Course w/this bird, the wording has changed from
gentle to firm and careful.

fp

[sabina]

boy can this baby squeak!!! h/she never stops! maybe we're not feeding enough? aias calculated based on weight from what the formula package said, and was giving 18 ml three times a day. but a few hours after the third feeding last night, the crop was empty so we gave 24 ml. right now we gave 24 ml, and the baby is still squeaking and shoulder pumping!

we weighed before feeding and it was 180g.

we're tube feeding, and we need a bigger syringe--the one we have is 12 ml. can we buy them in the store?

should the baytril be with or without food?

we're going to take some more pictures right now...

[Pidgey]

I'm sure you can get one somewhere. I always get them at feed stores but I get the regular syringes up to 60 milliliters if they've got them. Sometimes, it's only the 35's, though. I don't know what you're going to find in the middle of the big city, though. You could always get them from a vet, though. You might even get some kind of syringe from a pharmacy but it might have a larger nozzle on it.

Pidgey