please help!

[litos]

i could check tomorrow in my lab.
can i email you tomorrow?

[Pidgey]

The dosage for a Trimethoprim/Sulfamethoxasole blend is 60 milligrams of medicine per kilogram of bird, orally, twice daily. So, you're probably looking at a bird that weighs between 250 and 350 grams.

For a 250 gram bird, you'd be looking at giving him 0.3 milliliters, and for a 350 gram bird, you'd be looking at 0.4 milliliters. Both of those dosages are given twice a day, too. All you need to do is hold his beak open and ooze it in with his head tilted back. You can actually insert the syringe in straight inline with his upper beak and it will go in. You're just trying to make sure that you don't get any in his airway but even that isn't as bad as it sounds--medicines won't cause aspiration pneumonia. He'd be more like to cough some of it out and then you'd have to give him some more.

Pidgey

[Pidgey]

Lab? You've got access to equipment? Microscope?

Pidgey

[TheSnipes]

Could it be a youngster (the not - white ceres)?

[Pidgey]

Sure, just can't be for certain. Given the other damage, it's a guess. Sometimes, it's better to err to the worst case scenario.

Pidgey

[litos]

yes Pidgey,

I do molecular Biology research, so i have excess to most of Lab equipment. including Microscope (connected to a digital camera....) i do a lot of Histology, but i work with plants... what are you thinking of? what would be interesting (and helpful) to look at?

lit.

[litos]

but i really want to save this poor bird... so here are 2 more pictures (much better ones!) of the leg that is, so i think, broken.

oh, and i just checked - its 200gr. so should i give it 0.25ml twice a day?
for how long?

and one more thing. can i put Carbaryl 20% on it to get reed of its fleas? how much (and how) to treat that?

[Pidgey]

200 grams sounds pretty light so this little fellow needs to eat and heal. Yes, I'd go with that dosing for that drug.

Those toes don't look broken--that's how they usually hang on a limp foot due to an injury that's much higher on the leg. You're probably going to have to feel your way up into the feathers.

Pidgey

[litos]

can i also put Carbaryl 20% on it to get reed of its fleas? how much (and how) to treat that?

[Pidgey]

That sounds a bit strong at the moment. Yes, some folks use Sevin dust to treat their birds for external parasites, which is one version of what you're talking about. I'm usually only inclined to do that on a healthy bird and I'm a little worried about this fellow's weight and general health for the moment. That said, I'd put that part of the treatment off for awhile or I'd use very little of that stuff (~1/4 cc).

Pidgey

[TheSnipes]

At 200g, I'm even more inclined to think this is a youngster. What sort of sounds does it make at you? Squeaks, or growls?

[litos]

nothing at all...

[litos]

Well, i just gave my pigeon its first dosge of antibiotics. i was trying to hold its body still with one hand, open her beek with the other, and then another hand was needed to put the seringe in there.... then i manage to hold the pigeon and open its beek with one hand, and push the seringe with the other, but i thought i should give it slowly, and then it slipped out befor it took the whole thing. it was a stressful event for both of us.

eventually i came up with the idea to wrap a cloth around it body, so the only thing free to move is the head (like with a newborn baby)- and then i dont need to hold its body and it doesnt try to flap its wings... and i allso realized that 0.25ml is very little and i can push it all in there at once, so i think next time will be much easier and faster.

i allso tried to feel the leg, but failed to find were it is broken. today it was standing on the "broken leg" for afew seconds (till now it was standing on one lag or sitting), but maybe it was just becuase it was so stressed... i hope i dont cause more damage.

i was reading some of this amazing and helpfull forum, and came to realize my pigeion is totally wild. its not curious and not friendly, it doesn't eat when im around, and actually, when i'm there- its trying to hide or escape and harm itself.... so i guess i should have the minimum touch with it.

so here's my plan, and please tell me if you think its a bad one:
1/ i will keep my pigeon in laundry basket in the garden shed. is quite and protected and a bit dark in there. and the wether is warm outside (about 20 c. degrees at night)
2/ once a day i will change the newpaper, water and food, i think ill do it at night-time, when the pigeon is more calm / sleepy.
3/ twice a day i will give it the antibiotics, using the cloth method.
4/ i will put just a little anti-flea powder on the newspapers.
5/ i will post againg if theres any change in the pigeon's behaviuor.

what should i feed it other then the pigeon food (you can see it in the pictures?)

[Lady Tarheel]

We have a member "hilary", who lives in Israel but, in checking several of her posts all the way back to 2002, I could not see where in Israel. She has not posted since 3/12/06 but was pretty active before that date. I didn't see an e-mail address but maybe some of the older members may remember where she is. Perhaps she could put you in contact with a veterinarian.

[mr squeaks]

Hi Litos!

I see you discovered our famous "Burrito" method of confining a pij, the better to dose! Sure helps!!

Welcome to Pigeon Talk! I wish you and your pij the very best and hope all goes well!!

Shi, Squeaks, Dom & Gimie