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 You may dislike me stating the facts, but the illegal actions of people like you, will bring additional pain and suffering to pigeons, and more negative views of pigeons by the public at large. Ask some of the pigeon fanciers in Chicago, what a negative image about pigeons meant to them. Ask the exterminators what an out of control pigeon population does for their business. I ask that you folks who are involved in this illegal activity, to think about the suffering your actions will cause, and put aside your own selfish emotional needs. You do it, because it makes you feel good, without regard for the suffering you will cause. Time to think about the welfare of the feral colony instead of your "needs". |
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I'm so sorry to hear you are having issues with this lady. I think God puts people like this infront of all of us at times to test us. I can think of at least one person, who I would desribe exactly the same, but without the accent. I think you treating her with respect when you can and avoiding her would be best, but DO pray for her. If she is open to having anymore civil discussions then do so, because she needs something positive in her life, and needs to hear about Gods mercy. She is one of God's creatures too, as well as the pigeons.
In regards to feeding the pigeons, I think it best to do as you are doing, and NEVER bring anymore attention to them then necessary. You should also only feed them what they will consume in 5 minutes and any straglers should be given some seed as time permits. NEVER leave any extra seed laying around as that will bring attention of unwanted guests, like rats, and also load the birds to the point where they will start reproducing out of control. It is their reproduction that adds to their numbers and that gets them noticed by those who do them harm. It is well meaning people that create bad situations for our birds. IF they are in danger of negative human eyes they shouldn't be fed, and/or moved to a better location. Thank you for being a responsible feeder, and especially for trying to be nice to one of God's most unfortunate/needy human creatures. We are all His creatures, and he loves us all equally, it's our response to His call that will make an impact in our lives and everyone's lives we touch. Thank you again for sharing.
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I honestly think that I'm not feeding pigeons just to satisface myself, I do that, because I noticed that some of them can't find food easily, especially in the city, if I can help at least a few I'll do it, I went to pick up my uncle a couple days ago to downtown and it was at midnight, it was a big surprise for me to find pigeons on the street or in the garbage looking for food even in the dark and with a very low temperature, they were starving and obviously that was the reason that they were looking for food at that time, it really made me feel bad to seen that, we are all different some people feel more than others, and if I can do something for them I will do it, I'm not trying to please anybody, I know I will find people that are in agree, and others that are in desagree, but I will follow my instints. I'm not killing people, or stealing or begging to anyone, I buy my food and feed them, so again if people are in agree or desagree I'll continue doing it, because these animals are here in this world as us, and they need to eat as well.
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Hi SerendipCA
Actually it is not illegal to feed pigeons in San Fransico in all circumstances, and as Smtihfamily loft points out it is your duty to know, as well as to obey the law, nothing more, nothing less. The San Fransisco Municipal Code, Art 7, sec. 486, provides that it is illegal to feed or offer food to any bird on any street, highway or sidewalk in the city. By the same section of the Code it does not forbid the feeding of birds in parks, except for wild parakeets. Nor does it forbid the feeding of birds on private property, unless of course it creates a public nuisance, but that requires proof of unhealthy, diseased conditions, etc. Clearly a vacant lot or an alley, for instance would not be a street, highway or sidewalk as well. Note also that the Code requires arrest for enforcement. That requires that a police officer must observe the act of feeding,and that what ever was being offered meets the definition of "food". In other words evidence must be produced, and that can be difficult if it is inside the bird. The Code also forbids the feeding of any birds, tame, wild or domestic in the same sentence that it forbids the feeding of wild animals. That would mean a person with a parrot could not feed it on a city street, an absurd result; if the city wanted to outlaw feeding wild birds it should have said so. However if the City wants to pay its policemen to chase people around who feed pigeons, it is the City's duty as a law abiding community to meet the requirements of the criminal law and its constitutional parameters. Given the present fiscal crisis affecting governments all over the nation, that seems to me a terrible waste of the taxpayers money, but that is something for the taxpayers to consider in the next general election. |
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Very well put Grimaldy
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I just wanted to voice the delimma of human intervention. It really is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. From an academic viewpoint, I can say feeding feral cats just causes more baby kittens to end up at the SPCA, where many never leave alive, or dead kitty's on the street, etc. etc. Then, what is one to do, when a poor hungry kitty end's up on your back porch, on a freezing winter night crying for food ?  You feed it !! But, under your breath, you curse the human which caused this poor cat to be there on your back porch in such a situation. |
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I really don't see a problem, Warren,
If you are in San Francisco and the kitty is on your back porch, no violation of the law. Or you can take it into the nearest alley or city park or vacant lot. The real problem arises from people making assumptions about what the law provides and forbids without taking the time to go to the public library and reading it for themselves. For instance just about every other day I run into people in Chicago who want to play at being policemen and tell me that it is unlawful to feed pigeons. In fact it is not unlawful to feed pigeons, that the city code does not mention feeding pigeons or any other animal or bird. It does forbid dumping food or vegetable matter for rats to feed on, but that is a vastly different matter than hand feeding them or making certain they pick up everything you give them. If ignorance is bliss, there should be many more happy people in the world then seems to be. |
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Also, before you think I am ignoring the point you are trying to make about human intervention, your logic is flawed.
If you think there is a correlation between the existence of feral cats, or any other kind of wild animal, and feeding them (or showing minimal kindness), remember that they were here long before you were born and will be for many years after you are gone, whether you feed them or not. Depriving them of food and kindness however is a subtle form of cruelty, an effort to make their already tenuous existence more burdensome in the hope of eliminating some of them. Eradicating them, impossible, that is why they are feral. Increasing their misery, certainly. "For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love." Pythagoras, mathematician Last edited by Grimaldy; 11th December 2008 at 12:36 PM. Reason: correction |
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Aaahhhhhhhh!!!
I hate to hold my thoughts about this topic, but I rather keep my hands away from the keyboard...Some might get OFFENDED about what I'm going to say...So I leave it alone... "Sometimes Common Sense Is Not Common Anymore"
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Having failed to keep your hands off your keyboard, or your thoughts completely to yourself, at least you might explain why you think someone would be offended by what it is you want to say.
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See, the way I see it, if I express my thoughts in here more and more, it's like I'm inviting a challenge of debate..No matter what others will say, people got their own mind and do what they want to do or say what they want to say, with-out thinking anymore...So I leave it alone...I'm not into a long forever debate if people don't like to hear what other people think about their doings, just leave it alone...
My grandparents always say: "don't say I didn't warn you"...
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I'm going to hell then, I also feed 2 feral cats in my back yard for many years, after my pigeons are gone, no, I honestly understand you guys point, a friend of mine one day told me why you worry about these pigeons, I saw one that was sick and she said they are going to be fine, they find the cure by nature, and I asked her if she find the cure by nature when she get sick? I don't know I just think that we can't change other people but either way nobody will change my mentality, I can respect it, but I won't share that, again we follow what it make us feel better is easy sometimes to just ignore a situation, is comfortable, but if I do that, I'm not happy about myself, I keep thinking that I had the opportunity to help someone and I didn't make any move. anyways is good to read all the opinions here.
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Pegasus, we all have different opinions and we are also adults and respect each other, I think is always to read different opinions you learn and take what you think is important for you.
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As a matter of fact, I had my long opinion typed about all of the convo on here but I choose not to send it...Instead I said this...I'll keep my peace than to offend peoples and their feelings...
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