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Posted 15th January 2011, 08:26 PM
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What's with the ATTITUDE?


Hello Pigeon Friends,

Can anyone help me with this - just a revise.. Podgy was a rescued baby feral S/he (?) is now approx. 3 1/2 months old and over the last week we have seen her behaviour change from a sweet, friendly, confident, happy to be with her 'people' pidge to a cranky, always biting, hating to be petted, little poop! She seems to have changed her allegiance from myself (she had bonded mostly with me - probably because I was the one who hand raised her when she was a baby) to my daughter - except that although she will fly to Shannon and sit on her head, she still doesn't want anyone touching her. She will either bite the hand that comes close or she will fly away.
Catching her to put her back into her cage has become an almost impossible feat. I had to grab at her and put her away this morning after she bit, quite nastily, one of my younger children right near the eye

We are on the verge of keeping her caged because she has become so grouchy with everyone . We can't afford to have her biting our little kids. THis is really sad because she was such a delight just a week ago and we can't work out what has happened to change her behaviour and attitude.

Any help/advice would be appreciated.
Regards,
Dana


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Posted 15th January 2011, 08:35 PM
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i think she telling you she is grown up and wants to be free. other will help you get her ready for her life as a free pigeon.
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Posted 15th January 2011, 10:13 PM
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My female (and first pigeon) was the same way, friendly as could be until she matured, then angry woman piji came out and she just was never the same old young nice pij.

I just ended up building a bigger cage and getting her a guy friend. When she is let out of her cage she flies to me and we play the fly after me game so she gets her exercise...makes me wonder what the neighbors think when they see me running thru the house with a pigeon flying after me.

I don't handle her as mush as i used to but i still enjoy having her and i like to think she likes having me around every now and then
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Posted 15th January 2011, 11:06 PM
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hi Tuule
what is your male pigeon like?
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Posted 15th January 2011, 11:13 PM
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she or he is just being a teenager. This does not mean that you have to release Podgy, just know this is normal, and behavior will revert back with changes in hormones. Old Poddledoo is going to be an angel one day, and a little monster the next.
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Posted 15th January 2011, 11:18 PM
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Thanks for your thoughts GEMcC5150 but I am sure there are many people here who wouldn't agree with releasing a handraised pigeon who has become completely human bonded. I would live in constant fear of her life if I let her go free. I would rather have a cranky pigeon than a dead pigeon.
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Posted 16th January 2011, 02:24 AM
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LOL, yes, just being a teenager....puberty!
As far as the eye biting, you should never let a bird sit on your shoulder (or kids) and turn you face toward them Guaranteed peck in the eye!
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Posted 16th January 2011, 06:12 AM
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Dana, what you describe is pretty normal behavior for a maturing hand raised pigeon, every baby that I have hand raised has displayed similar patterns of behavior. I as well have received a few pretty good pecks to my eye area over the years from a few of the little guys I have had to hand raise that would sleep on my chest for long periods of time when younger, then later turn into little aggressive devils as they hit their teenage years. No real need to lock Podgy up, you just have to be aware of his new patterns of behavior and adjust yourselves accordingly, especially riding on the shoulders or having him sit on your chest, where he can quickly move up to the face area. He will settle down in time as he matures, you just have to ride this out with him and be understanding and patient.

Karyn

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I'm happy that you have a pj that you love so much but as so many people on this board have express feral were born free and should live free if they can. It sound like you little one would be a canadet for release. But she is your bird and it is up to you. God bless and good luck
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I'm happy that you have a pj that you love so much but as so many people on this board have express feral were born free and should live free if they can. It sound like you little one would be a canadet for release. But she is your bird and it is up to you. God bless and good luck
Not me........I would never release a 'hand raised bonded to human' pigeon. Chances of survival in the wild are slim whereas they have no fear.
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Posted 16th January 2011, 10:51 AM
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LOL, yes, just being a teenager....puberty!
As far as the eye biting, you should never let a bird sit on your shoulder (or kids) and turn you face toward them Guaranteed peck in the eye!
LOL... so true. There is a reason that pirates, that have birds on their shoulders, are always wearing an eye patch! And heaven forbid you have freckles (beauty marks, etc) anywhere on your face. Ouch!

My Kalani (feral rescue that I hand raised from day 9 of her sometimes ungratefule life), who I love dearly, started her "independent" phase of life around that same time. She is 7 months old now and still pecks me when I give her her favorite treats. She still flys over to me and sits with/on me like her earlier sweet self, but it's pretty much on her terms. I just resolved that she is more like a cat than a dog as far as when she chooses to be affectionate/playful with me. The rest of the time I just let her do her own thing. I don't have kids, but I imagine that a lot of parents consider getting rid of their teenagers a time or two. I would say to just role with the change in your relationship and your Podgy will continue to give you lots of love and laughs.

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Posted 16th January 2011, 12:13 PM
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I'm happy that you have a pj that you love so much but as so many people on this board have express feral were born free and should live free if they can.
Not a chance in hell. I didn't rescue a bird to condemn it.

I like the comparison above - pigeons are kinda like cats in their disposition as adults. My girl gets hormonal every two weeks or so (depending on the season) and you just learn... we have our disagreements, but for the most part we treat each other with mutual respect. As long as I make my intentions clear when encroaching on her space, she'll usually grant me permission and she's quite affectionate (on her terms).
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Not me........I would never release a 'hand raised bonded to human' pigeon. Chances of survival in the wild are slim whereas they have no fear.
I have to agree.... pigeons are a bit different, they are feral.. a wild species of bird would be released.. but pigeons here can live a fine and longer healthier life with a knowlegable and caring caretaker....just as a wild caught kitten raised with humans.. no one would release a tame cat in the wild that wanted a better life for it... but there are times when an already adult was rehabbed and still acting wild, when healthy it would be released back to it's flock..
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Most of my pet pigeons ,when out in their flight pen, will all fly on my shoulder and head but I never look directly at them for the very reason I don't desire to have my eye pecked out! They love me, but they also do not understand the shiny gleem and will out of curiosity peck if able to do so. Whenever we have an educational moment with guests or other kids, I always incorporate the importance of never looking directly at them.
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I had to learn that the hard way, but I was a quick study. It's usually just my male, Kiko, that likes to peck. Kalani, the hen, usually only pecks when I enter her "no human zone". She's just so much more aloof than him. Today, he is in a rare mood. Everytime I stand up and start walking away from the desk (which also has me walking away from the nest), Kiko starts chasing my feet and pecking them. If I get a head start you can hear his little feet pounding on the tile as he chases me into the other room; it's so funny It's almost like he is saying "get back here right now". There new attitudes can really be entertaining and lots of laughs (the minor pain is so worth it). Does that make me wierd?
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