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isla isla is offline
Posted 3rd September 2004, 09:11 AM
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hope someone can help. my husband found me a poorly pigeon and i just dont know what is wrong with it. she eat and drinks well and seems to be quite young. she is quite large, strong and her wings in working order until she tries to fly. she does all the flapping and gets ready to take off but just flops over. i really don't know what is wrong and wondered if anyone could give me some advice.


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Posted 3rd September 2004, 09:26 AM
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Hi Isla,

Where are you?

Is she particularly thin? Can you do a quick check of the inside of her mouth to ensure it is healthy and pink? Is she fully feathered under her wings? Is she showing any odd signs like turning her head upside down to gaze at the sky, or turning round in circles?

Cynthia
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Posted 3rd September 2004, 11:30 AM
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hope someone can help. my husband found me a poorly pigeon and i just dont know what is wrong with it. she eat and drinks well and seems to be quite young. she is quite large, strong and her wings in working order until she tries to fly. she does all the flapping and gets ready to take off but just flops over. i really don't know what is wrong and wondered if anyone could give me some advice.
i am up in edinburgh. had a quick look in her mouth and it is grey even her tongue is grey. she isn't thin and i've not noticed any unusual things like circling etc. she is fully feathered under her wings too. could it be possible that she has eaten some poison?
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Posted 3rd September 2004, 02:01 PM
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Throat should be healthy and pink...I have asked some of the more experienced rescuers to respond to this. In the meantime I found this possibility :

THRUSH : Fungus disorder (Candida Albicans) normally in equilibrium but increased by stress. Causes - mouldy feed, spores from droppings or litter. Airborne, waterborne. May attack throat, respiratory tracts, reproductive organs and vent. More common in nestlings. Symptoms - grey coated throat, blue coated tongue (do not confuse with blue tipped tongue which is inherited pigmentation not disease symptom) rattling and general debilitation or poor growth. Old pigeons show lack of vigour... Cure for old pigeons -swab throat with mixture of aqueous iodine, glycerine and honey. Use water purifier in drinkers...

A possibility?

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Posted 3rd September 2004, 02:02 PM
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I don't know what the gray mouth might mean, but what first comes to mind is anemia or blood loss.
Take a moistened cotton-tipped stick and rub the inside of the mouth. If the tip stains gray, then the bird has ingested something.
Anemia is more likely. Might also have a broken wing.
Do you see any wounds when you spread open each wing?
Do both wings open all the way out or does one only partially open?
Do you feel any lumps or callouses on the bones of the wings as you feel along the wings?

Also examine the rest of the body. If there are any areas of feathers that are sticky or missing, probe around those areas, to see if there are any puncture wounds, gunshot wounds, or other damage.
If the feathers look intact, still examine by looking under the feathers for damage.
Does the bird have any other symptoms?
Things to look for in a general exam:

balance (neuro)--is the bird steady on its feet, and can it maintain balance if you move it; is head held upright?

weight--feel along the breastbone. It should be well-fleshed out, with no protruding breastbone

GI--are the droppings moist but solid, with a light and dark area?
Is there a yeasty or other odor to the droppings?
Check the mouth for any white or yellowish stuff. Look as far back as you can see (use little flashlight).

Write back anything you notice. Other members will be along to help.

Best,
Marian
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Posted 3rd September 2004, 02:07 PM
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Forgot to include--
Poisons used here for pigeons don't stain the mouth. But your bird might have gotten into some food, poison or not, that stained the mouth.

Fungal infection in the mouth, that was already suggested, is another possibility.
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Posted 3rd September 2004, 02:07 PM
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I was thinking exactly what Marian wrote. Please follow her suggestions. If the mouth is gray, as in pale flesh, I would guess anemia or low blood oxygen. Both of these could explain her lack of flying ability.

Are you near a wildlife rehabilitation center, or a vet who will see birds?

Kimberly
isla isla is offline
Posted 4th September 2004, 09:53 AM
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thanks


thanks for all your suggestions. i am going to have a proper look just now. going to phone the vet on monday for their help too. i'll let you all know what i find once i've had a good look.
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Posted 5th September 2004, 01:44 PM
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had a really good look at pigeon yesterday. her mouth is a nice healthy pink now. wings are fully feathered underneath and open out fully with no resistance. no puncture wounds on her body. she seems to be getting stronger and more able to get around. she has stopped flopping over and although not flying fully is now managing to flap around about a foot off the ground. i was thinking that maybe she has flew into something quite hard and was maybe suffering from shock? i'll keep you posted on her progress and thanks for all the suggestions. still going to speak to the vet tomorrow.

isla
 

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