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pigeongirl06 pigeongirl06 is offline
Posted 1st April 2006, 06:09 PM
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help-are pigeon meds ok for doves


i dont know if anyone has ever used pigeon meds on doves before or know if it could be used for doves.i had 7 doves and four of them died last week. my brother put his sick cropper in the same cage with the doves when i told him not too.so now i only have two doves left and i want to treat them so they dont die. they have watery, green droppings and sit on the perch all fluffed up like its cold.i read that doves can get the same kind of sickness that pigeons do too,but since doves are smaller i dont know how much medicine to give them.does anyone know.


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TAWhatley TAWhatley is offline
Posted 1st April 2006, 06:18 PM
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Yes, pigeon medications can be used for doves. Doves and pigeons do get the sames types of diseases. You would first need to know what is wrong then select an appropriate medication and adjust the amount to be given based upon the smaller size/weight of the doves.

Do you have any idea what was wrong with the cropper? There are many different things that would cause your doves to have abnormal droppings and be fluffed up. If you don't have them inside and being kept warm, please do this as soon as possible. They are already sick and don't have any energy to spare on keeping warm.

Are the doves still eating and drinking?

What types of pigeon medications do you have on hand?

Terry
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Posted 1st April 2006, 08:17 PM
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i think my brother said that the cropper had sour crop or something. it was eating, but the food inside its crop wasnt being digested. and sometimes its pout wasnt pouting either,so a few days later the cropper died followed by the doves.i have global respiratory, dacoxin 4 in 1, terramycin, aureomycin sulmet, live bacteria, wormers.almost all those meds are what pigeons need.today i gave the doves each half a pill of the dacoxin and wormer pills.i have given these before and they seem to be fine.but the i dont know how to mix the powder ones.doves seem to dirty their water very easily so its hard to keep the water clean but to change it everyday.one of the doves seem to be sitting normal, but the other ones feathers are puffed up like its cold.about the eating, i havent checked their crop to see if they are full,but i will do that.
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Posted 1st April 2006, 08:32 PM
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Please check the spelling on "dacoxin" and advise .. I'm not finding that on the web ..

If the problem is sour crop then you need Nystatin or a related drug for candidiasis, also known as thrush or sour crop.

Meanwhile, mix 1 teaspoon of baking soda in one cup of warm water and syringe or eye dropper 1-3 ml to each bird .. what kind of doves are these?

No more food or grit tonight or until the crops empty tomorrow. AND, if these birds still aren't inside or being kept very warm, you need to see to this ASAP.

Please keep us posted.

Terry
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Posted 1st April 2006, 09:45 PM
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here is the website, i forgot the "e" at the end, should be dacoxine . it is sold on global pigeon supplies in pill and powder form.under DAC products.

http://www.globalpigeon.com/producti...1124185356.jpg
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Hi pigeongirl06,


Sour Crop or Candida are not contageous, so...

If one Bird, the 'Cropper' in fact did have it, and then, the various Doves are getting it, it may be the food they are eating is bad, mouldy, sour, fermenting...

Who feeds them?

Who takes care of these Birds?

What are these Birds being fed?

If Seeds, and if the Seeds had got wet, damp, musty, mildewed, this can kill them...this can make the Birds ill and or kill them in a matter of days.

Check the Seeds...taste them, look at them, smell them, be sure...


Look into this...


As Terry mentions, bring any who are still alive...bring them in, make them safe and comfortable and "warm"...let them fast a few days...

Make fome ACV-water even, for them to drink, if they will drink...and no matter what they have, this will help or at least not hurt.

Mix two tablespoons of Apple Cider Vinegar into one Gallon of the best Water you can get...and let this be their drinking Water for the next week...

Better yet, get them to an experienced Avian Vet if possible and have them examined...have a Crop Swab done and analysed....

You need a definitive diagnosis, and fast...

If such is not possible, or regardless...please write to us with additional details...

Good luck...

Phil
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Posted 2nd April 2006, 08:08 AM
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the food seem to be fine because its up kinda high so they cant sit on it cause they tend to like sitting in their feed dish.my dad feeds and takes care of the. we have them in the basement with a light on once fall comes and it starts getting cold.we feed them bird seeds that we get from menards.it has sunflower, milo,millets,corn,duck grower in it.they are ring neck doves.i have a question about the baking soda, how many different kinds are there, i ve seen the ones that u bake and the ones that u put in ur fridge to keep food fresh.are they all the same?just wanna make sure so i dont kill them.i will try all this and will keep u guys updated.thanks for ur help.
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Hi pigeongirl06,

Meds are usually figured by weight, so that would be an important consideration for you to have a reading on them in general as to their weight. Problems w/the crop can be bacterial or yeast/fungal but without knowing more precisely what the problem is, antibiotics will only aggravate the problem if yeast based.

Do you know if the birds have been vomiting at all? If so and another pecks at the reguritated seeds, then I believe their would be a transmission issue, or billing mates, as well. The baking soda, if you have a choice, just go with the regular product as opposed to the one for refriderators. They should be the same, but without knowing exactly what is in the product for the fridge, it keeps things simple and safe to get the known product. Try this and post the results.

Not sure of your general location, but basements in general are known for being damp, musty, and sometimes moldy or at least with air born mold spores. Is the area heated and well ventilated? May seem like a contradiction in terms, but not really.

Anyway, post your results w/the baking soda and folks can go from there.

fp
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Posted 2nd April 2006, 05:11 PM
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today i gave them the baking soda and some apple cider vineger. am i suppose to give them the baking soda everyday? is it ok to give them the the apple cider vinegar after i've given it baking soad?they dont eat on their own so i have to feed them.the male seems to be little active and not puffed up as much as the female but it also doesnt have any food in its crop.

the basement is not dirty, musty or damp.its clean and well ventilated.

i will wait and see what happens in the next few days.
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Hi Pigeongirl,

Don't give the baking soda water and ACV water at the same time. If you give baking soda water, then wait until the crop is completely empty before switching to ACV water. Combining the two could be disasterous as the chemical reaction of vinegar and soda is quite "volcanic" .. it foams up like crazy.

Make sure the birds are being kept plenty warm and that they don't become dehydrated.

Terry
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Posted 2nd April 2006, 05:46 PM
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oops, i forgot about that baking soda and vinegar affect.i think i gave them some.omg.is anything bad going to happen.i gave them each 3cc of baking soda and acv.oh no what should i do now?????i hope i didnt kill them.
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Posted 2nd April 2006, 05:54 PM
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for the baking soda i didnt mix 1 tablespoon per gallon. just a pinch to half a cup of water.that should be fine right? and the vinegar was 1-1/2 cap full per gallon.they seem to be fine after i gave it to them.
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Well, if they didn't explode, we are fine. Truly don't do the baking soda and vinegar at the same time. How are the birds?

Terry
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Posted 3rd April 2006, 02:51 PM
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the female dove died today when i checked on it after school.the only one left is the male dove.it doesnt seem to be eating.now i don tknow what to do anymore.
 

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