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Old 19th January 2002, 05:18 AM
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How to take care of a pigeon in trouble


Hello Everyone,
In going through all the posts in the various topics, I noticed that there are people here who are in various stages of knowledge and experience ranging from those who want to help a pigeon to those who are very knowledgeable in what to do.
I think that a topic I'm setting up now would be very helpful for everyone across the board. What I miss, others can fill in. If I'm wrong, others can correct.
Please understand that I am going to talk about my ideas and experiences and that it is in no way arrogance on my part. I wish I knew more and I'll never know enough. There are questions of morality in treating these birds for which there are no answers. There are birds that I have tried everything on and failed. Those failures, if allowed to fester in the mind could prevent another bird from being saved. There will be failures. They are heartbreaking. There are times I have wanted to walk away for the activity out of disgust. Don't let it stop you from trying again. I suppose I am halfway talking to myself at the same time.
Nothing you did and probably nothing a vet could do would probably have saved many of those birds. Never feel guilty that you may have missed something. You do your best and that is a lot more than the vast majority of people out there would ever do for a pigeon or any other bird. Don't ever be afraid to try something. It is better than doing nothing and giving the bird no chance at all to survive.
Ranging from cancer to metabolic failures, birds with certain conditions are not going to make it. There may be unknown illnesses out there that the science has not been able to identify as yet. I am thinking of one particular illness and no vet has been able to give me a clue as to what the problem was and I do peridically come across it. How are we supposed to cure a bird where the illness is still a mystery to veterinarian science?
You will make mistakes and will lose birds from those mistakes. I promise you that if you recognize the error, you will never make it again. That is a necessary learning process that all people in bird rescue and rehabilitation go through. There is a learning curve and it is necessary to go through it. There is no way around it.
How to minimize these errors and maximize the success rate is what I want to first talk about.
Again, there is so much involved, I may very well miss covering some topics or give some errouneous information and I hope that you will come in and correct me.
We need all the help and input we can get.
Please understand that my way is not necessarily the best way and is certainly not how other people the problem of a bird in trouble. It's a start. People will hopefully come in and give their opinions. You do what feels right for you.



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Old 19th January 2002, 06:18 AM
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Wildlife Rehabilitation:
The function of wildlife rehabilitation is to treat an animal with the purpose of restoring it to a point that it can be released back into the wild and be able to survive.
An individual with a wildlife rehabilitation license has an obligation to put down those animals that cannot make it. I would suppose that there are those rehabilitators that do not have the heart to destroy particular animals and keep them if they are not releasable but everyone has limited resources and most of those that cannot be returned to the wild are going to be euthanised.
There is no requirement that a rehabilitation license is need to keep, maintain and treat pigeons, sparrows and starlings. They are not native species and are therefore unprotected species. They are however, covered under the humane animal laws and therefore have to be accorded the respect and dignity required to keep them in as good a condition as possible.
What constitutes humane is not only a legal problem for its definition but there are times when it becomes a moral dilemma and I will give you one expample.
About two months ago on a Suday night at about 10:30, I was coming home and saw an adolescent pigeon hiding by a fence. He was standing but his head was down towards the ground. That is a sign of pain in the crop or intestines. When I got him home, I examined his body looking for the source of the pain and found it. I felt a large hard substance inside and at the base of the crop. This was killing the bird. It was obstructing him. It was probably infecting him and it was causing a lot of distress. Based on what I saw of this bird's behaviour, I didn't think he would make it through the night.
It's 10:30pm on a Sunday. The bird is in a lot of pain. Death is coming soon. There was no way to get to a vet at that time. I had to make a decision.
When a bird is very thin, plucking chest feathers can actually rip out the skin. So, I used scissors to cut the feathers down to the base and cleared an area on the upper breast and to the right side of the bird. Doing it in the center is working directly over the esophagus and that is a no-no. The esophagus could herniate.
When enough area was cleared, I manipulated the rock-like object up towards that area and held it tight against the side of the crop. I then took a clean sharp Exacto knife and make a cut long enough to be able to remove this object but no longer than that.
When the cut was made, I pressed the object out through the incision. It was an unshelled peanut, swollen and way larger than when the bird first swallowed it from the moisture in the crop. When young birds are starving and they see something that they can swallow, they don't know enough to stay away from it and they take it down.
I stitched the skin closed but not the crop. The crop heals quickly, in about five days. There is a layer of fat and muscle uner the skin and I only sutured the skin. Anesthesia would be needed to go that deeply to suture anything else.
The bird was put on Baytril and hand fed some soaked Purina Puppy Chow, an easily digestible food that is very good for sick birds. I didn't want to feed seed because I knew the Puppy Chow would have a greater chance go past the wound and not get caught. Seed could be captured in the wound and possibly fester or go through the unsutured crop wound. The amount of food given was obviously never enough to fill the crop up to the level of that wound in the upper right breast area.
In five days, when I felt the crop was closed, seed was started and the Puppy Chow was eliminated. Although the Chow is good, it has a lot of protein and can cause gout in birds so it can't really be given for long periods of time. I have no idea how long is too long.
The sutures were taken out on the tenth day. Everything was closed up. The bird was kept for another two weeks to build him up. That bird bonded to me. He became finger tame and he like to fly onto my head. He was too thin to release immediately. There was not enough fat to keep him viable in this cold weather. I took him to a friend who will keep him through the winter and release him in the spring.
So now you know about the internal conflicts that come up between what is legally humane treatment and ethical dilemma. I don't have the answer to whether I did the right thing here. All I know is that the bird is now alive, healthy and has a second chance. Right and wrong are not so easy to define.
Incidentally, I had a bird soon after that experience that had swallowed an acorn. This was also an adolescent but this one could not survive. He was infected from top to bottom. You could see pus coming out of his cloaca. He was too far gone to do anything. They do swallow these nuts.
So if you see a bird that is on the ground, pecking put appears to be extremely weak, reluctant to fly and is staying away from the group, that bird needs help and you never know what the problem is until you get it. At that point, it could be anything.




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Old 19th January 2002, 07:00 AM
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Physical Examination Before the Physical Examination
A physical examination is started even before a bird is picked up. Is the bird staying away from the flock? Is it limping? Is a wing dragging? Is it lying down? Is it actively competing for food or is it staying on the fringes of the flock half trying to get at food or not going after it at all? Is it looking at food but not trying to pick it up? Are the feathers under the lower beak and on the cheeks puffed out. Is the bird breathing with it's mouth open a little bit? Is there any sign of swelling around the mouth. Are both eyes open? Is there redness or swelling in the eyes? Is there wetness that can be seen by the nares? Is the bird picking up food but it is falling out of its mouth? Are all the feathers puffed up? Is the bird weak? Is the bird still on the ground when the flock flies away? Is it just sitting at the base of a tree or some other object? Is the bird standing under a parked car? Is there a visible injury? When the bird comes down to eat, does it land lying down? There are reasons for all of these symptoms and you can never take anything for granted.
To capture a bird that can still fly is not easy. I throw bird seed and watch the flock as they eat. If there is a bird that does not act normally for any of the reasons written above, I will try go come up behind it and when it's head is down grabbing seed or toherwise looking away, I will make a grab for it. I'm not always sucessfull but I try. The chances are that if you see a bird that is in trouble, if you don't get it right then and there, you may not see it again or otherwise not have an opportunity to get it.


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Old 19th January 2002, 07:42 AM
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The actual Physical Examination:
When a bird is in your hands, it is absolutely vital to look at everything from head to foot.
Looking in the mouth, at the eyes, the lids, the nares is so obvious and there is so much to be said about it. There is so much that can be wrong in those areas. These are the first things to look at. Is the beak(s) curved and could it have been from an impact injury? Is the beak overgrown or scissored? Is the beak cracked? Is the tissue that lines the inside lower beak attached to the beak? Is there swelling under the chin? Sometimes canker gets in under the tongue and you don't know unless you feel a swelling. Sometimes a bacterial infection gets under the tongue and moves into the jaw? Is the tongue discolored? That could be a chemical burn or infection. Look at the insides of the cheeks. Sometimes an object like a feather shaft penetrates into the cheek and causes a painful abscess. Is there a yellow area in the cheek? The sinuses can generate infection that can travel into the cheek area.
Is there any matting of feathers or pus by the ears? Even though the eyes may look good, is there matting around the feathers asurrounding the eyes? It could be a skin infection there.
Other parts of the body can indicate what is wrong and they have to be looked at very closely.
Aside from obvious injuries, look for the not so obvious. If the bird is limping, is there a swelling on the bottom of the foot? That could be a bumble foot and that is serious. Do you see any swelling in the leg joints? Is there any whitish material under the skin anywhere on the legs? It could be gout. It could be an infection. Is there string on the toes and/or legs. That has to be taken care of immediately and an entire section should be devoted to that problem. I'll talk about that another time.
Is there an unusual feeling to any of the body feathers? I had a bird that was very weak and I felt a straight line of feathers running along the right rear side of the bird that felt very odd. It was a huge abcess in the skin that was running horizontally and affecting the follicles as it travelled. Antibiotics and then pulling out the affected feathers saved the bird. If I had not felt those feathers, antibiotics alone would not have saved the bird. That abscess source had to be removed to allow drainage.
Look for any swellings on the body and wings. A swelling on the winds could be paratyphoid (salmonella). If it is an injury, you may see some blood on the underside of the wing at the point where it meets the body. If you part the feathers, you may get more that you bargained for. You may see an opening large enough to view bone and many times, that bone has been shattered or broken. A little blood on the feathers may not tell the entire story.
Look at the cloacal area. See if it is herniated. That is called a prolapsed cloaca and if you can't afford the surgery to repair it, the bird has to be put down. Look for canker in that area. Sometimes canker bypasses the mouth and crop and sets up shop in that area. Look to see that droppings are not clogging the cloaca. If that is allowed to remain, the backup will cause toxins to kill the bird. That comes from a number of sources; bad hygiene, kidney problems or digestive system problems.
Look at the oil gland. Is it clogged?
Do you see any skin growth on the edge of the wing that looks like a mushroom? That is cancer. Is there a skin growth coming up from the shoulder. That is probably cancer.
Is there any tumor on the beak. It could be cancer or benign.
I don't think I covered all of it but the bottom line is take nothing for granted and look at every part of the bird's body.

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Old 19th January 2002, 12:31 PM
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Wow Fred! This is really amazing! I don't think I would have been brave enough to try surgery on my own.

You are very kind to take the time to explain
your experience and methods. Ray will love this when he sees it.

Thanks!

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Old 19th January 2002, 12:47 PM
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Judy,
Please don't forget that I'm not a vet and would always take a pigeon to one for something like this if there is one available. Under those circumstances it was do now or die.

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Old 19th January 2002, 01:48 PM
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The sick and injured pigeon is as vulnerable to time delay as a person. The longer the condition continues, the harder it will be to help it.
When I started this activity, I looked for pigeons on the ground, in columns, under cars, in store fronts, at bases of trees and found them. The problem was that most of these birds had reached a point in time when they were too weak and were essentially waiting to die. The one exception to this was the baby pigeons that would fall out of nests. Those would be picked up and raised.
But, most of the time, nothing I could do for these downed birds would work. It was too late and they were in the last stages of the dying process. Soon, they would begin to gasp as their heart and lungs started to go and death became more imminent. Of course there were and are exceptions but statistically, you will save more birds the earlier you get them.
There came a realization that I was losing most of these birds and that I was not going to save very much at all if I waited to get them at this point. They had to be gotten at an earlier stage.
What I did was to buy wild bird seed or pigeon feed when it was available and on the weekends, go down to the flock I watch over and toss handfuls onto the ground. The flock would fly down and that would enable me to study these birds as individuals. Over the years, when I see a bird in trouble in the flock, I grab it while it is eating, take it home and treat immediately. If the bird can be saved, it is going to have to be treated in these early stages.
You can't pick up a bird in the last stages of life because of, let's say canker and expect to save it. It is so weak that it can die from handling shock alone. In addition, if you can get any medicine and food down the bird, more often than not, the blood will start to move to the digestive system areas to pick up any nutrition and that puts a strain on the rest of the bird's system and that bird can die very easily. Birds have died while I was feeding them. A bird has to have some internal strength with which it can work to help itself along with you do for it.
If you are feeding a flock and see a bird that is picking up food and you see it dropping out of the mouth, that bird has canker and if you can't grab it to treat now, it may well be too late to treat a week later.
Now, I'm not able to afford to take a bird to a vet for tests. They can run over $250 not including X-rays. I'm forced to treat for an unknown illness right at the beginning. I use a shotgun appoach if the illness is not self evident.
If the bird has strength and I feel it is safe, I powder the bird down before I bring it into the house. This powder kills everything on the bird except the bird. To get all areas, the bird has to be turned over so powder can be applied to the underside. If the bird is too weak, that is not going to be done and the powder goes on the top of the bird only. Be careful not to get any powder into the eyes, nares or mouth.
The next thing that is done is to put the beak into water for a second. Most of the time, the pigeon will start to drink immediately.
Three pills then go down the moist throat; Carnidazole to kill canker even if it can't be seen, Appertex to kill coccidia, another common protozoan and a 5mg pill of Baytril. That bird has to prove to me that it does not need an antibiotic before I'll stop it. A few days later and if the bird is over two months old, The bird will get a wormer called Ivermectin. That drug is very potent and giving it immediately along with the other medications is too much at one time.
Droppings in a sick bird or a starved bird are going to look similar at first. They are going to be green from all the excess bile that is in the system and has had nothing to work on. Of course there are going to be exceptions. If you see a yellow dropping, there is liver trouble.
If the bird eats seed on its own, great and if for any reason, it does not eat, then I hand feed some Purina Puppy Chow and wait for droppings. You can't expect a bird to improve if it does not eat. It can't live on thin air. If a crop is empty, it can take over three hours to see the first dropping and even there, it can be all liquid and urates. The digestive system in a starved or ill bird takes time to start up. It can take a week or more to see normal droppings in a starved bird and a lot longer with a sick one.
If the bird throws up the food you put down, there could be a number of reasons for that happening and I'll go into that in another post. If you are hand feeding, don't put too much food down at once because the crop may not be able to handle it all at the beginning
As experience grows, you will be able to distinguish starvation from illness by watching the progress and general disposition of the pigeon.
For me, the shotgun approach is the way to go. Other people are not going to agree with me on this. They would prefer to take a wait and see attitude. They may be right and I may be wrong but that is the way I do it. Don't forget that in the case of a cooped bird, it may be necessary to see what develops because the rest of the flock is going to need specific medication based on a definite diagnosis. In the feral pigeon, I feel there is no time to wait. There is a small window in which a feral bird can be helped because we don't know how long it has been in the condition in which we first see it.
Be careful of the powder you use to kill insects on the outside of the bird. Many that are given for cats and dogs are toxic. One safe powder is Pyrethrin. It is a very good insecticide. The problem for me is that I break out in an allergic rash from touching it so I switched over to an artificial Pyrethrin called Extiban D. It is vital to use a powder. Feather mites suck blood and can kill a bird. If you are treating an ill bird, don't let the mites sap strength when it needs it the most.
The pigeon fly is a walking, flying tank. You can slap it and that won't kill it. That fly is specialized to the pigeon. It sucks blood and it carries a form of malaria. Kill them with powder. Ivermectin works on both insects from the inside but it is slower.


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Hi Fred,

Wow! I am with Judy on this one. Thank you so much for taking the time to prepare all these posts. It is a lot of material to try to assimilate at one time, so thanks is all you get right now from me! I did note, however, the very good list of things to look for when both viewing a bird from a distance as well as during a physical exam. All these things provide valuable information/clues as to what is going on with the bird.

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Terry,
Thanks. I'm trying to give this everything I've got.

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String:
Have you ever seen a pigeon that has missing toes or even a missing leg? The chances are that the digits and/or leg were lost from string being wrapped around them.
I can't think of anything more horrible than that happening to a bird. Imagine tying a rubber band around your finger as tightly as you can. You know what kind of pain there will be. You can take off the rubber band. The pigeon cannot take off the string. They can't walk up to anyone and ask for help. They suffer great pain and it can take over a year before the pain goes away along with the toe(s) or foot or leg.
For me, this affliction represents the symbol of humanity's neglect of the natural world. String as thin as nylon thread to wrapping string is all discarded on the ground. Pigeons walking on that ground will get it wrapped around their feet. The string curls and twirls around a toe or more digits and knots form. They begin to tighten and start to cut into the skin. Then when the string cuts though all the skin and muscle and tendons, it begins to tighten around the bone.
A dry type of gangrene forms. the toe begins to die from lack of circulation. Lack of circulation affects the other toes and they begin to curl into a permanent contorted postition. Eventually, the toe falls off or if the string is wrapped around the leg, that falls off. If anything falls off prematurely, the bird will bleed to death. And throughout this process, the bird is limping in pain and trying to survive.
String can wrap around and tie both legs together so if you see a bird lying down on the ground and eating, that could very well be the cause.
An injured bird will be far more reluctant to allow a person to approach within grabbing distance and that makes it much tougher to get it. I have gone for more than a month trying to capture any particular bird with string wrapped around it.
If you get one, the trouble is just beginning. You need a pair of magnifying glasses even if your eyesight is good. You have to get as close as possible to the site to see what is going on. One wrong move and the bird can begin to bleed heavily. Pressure can stop the bleed but try to find the right point when you are working in blood and twisted contorted flesh that no longer resembles a foot.
You need a good strong light similar to the tensor lamps. You need dental type picks and those can be purchased at a number of hardware stores. They have different tops and straight picks are not always the right ones to use. You need a good pair of small surgical scissors and a good pair of tweezers. You need small Exacto type knives. There has to be cotton, cotton swabs and something like Quik Stop to try to stem any bleeding. Finally, you need Betadyne to disinfect the area when you are done. All of this has to be available before even starting to work on the string.
Pulling on the string up from one side is simply going to pull the string on the other side more deeply into the tissue. The picks have to be placed under the string and a knife used to cut it. Tweezers are used to unravel the string which can be wrapped around the inside of the wound a few times. When you hit a point where you can't unwind the string, you are at another knot and have to work with the dental pick again. If you can find other loose ends on the other side of the digit, cut wherever you safely can and maybe you will get lucky and the string will be able to be pulled out in pieces.
Incidentally, if you are working alone, one hand is holding the bird while you are tring to use your other hand to work with the tools.
Don't be surprised if you find that as you unravel the string, it may follow all the way around the foot or ankle from places where you didn't even realize there were cuts.
Sometimes all that is holding the toe to the body is the string and in taking the string off, the toe could come off with it. If there is still a blood supply, expect to apply pressure to the stump constantly for at least 40 minutes to stop a major bleed.
If you are fortunate enough to get all the string off, your work is not finished.
I once had a bird where the string was wrapped around an area above the ankle and below the knee(hock joint). That part of the leg was going to come off and if it came off too early, the bird would bleed to death. After the string was off, I fashioned a wire splint that wrapped around the bottom of the foot and taped to an area above the wound so the leg could not fall off until it was time. When it did, I kept the bird until it healed and then released it. He did very nicely for a few years.
What do you do about the remaining toes that are curled from lack of circulation? Trace an outline of the bottom of the foot and cut out a piece of plastic coffee can cover to match. Cut small notches in each piece for the toe nails and place the fitted plastic on the bottom of the foot. Tape each toe to the plastic piece and tape the center of the foot to hold the entire device. You may have to stretch the toe in order to make it fit but that is the whole point. Straightening out the toes can take three weeks or longer but they have to be stretched by this device or it isn't going to work.
Sometimes, if one toe is involved, there is no curling of the others but the toe can be dying from lack of circulation. The toe dies from the top down so that if there is still circulation at the base and the bird accidentally hits the toe, it can break off prematurely and cause a major bleed. If I can release the bird save that one condition, what I do is cut off that part of the toe that is dead so that only a small stump remains and the bird can be safely released without my having to worry about another injury happening. If there is still circulation in the toe, I wait until it disappears and then cut with the surgical scissors. It's dead tissue and the nerves are gone so the bird feels nothing.
There can be pus pockets in the foot or not. In any case, I give an antibiotic.



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Old 20th January 2002, 05:57 AM
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Scalping:
Pigeons fight with each other for a number of reasons. A bird could land on another's roosting place. An aggressive male could be protecting his mate and these birds mate for life. There could be competition over food. One male may just be in a bad mood. A male coming across a nest with two squabs, could attack and kill one or both unless one of the parents is protecting the nest and will fight back to protect the young. Older females can be as feisty and aggressive as the males.
The only weapon a pigeon has in a fight is its beak and it can be used very proficiently. A bird will many times grab onto the scalp of another, hold on tightly and shake it. Many times, the skin will be ripped right off of the bird being attacked. This is scalping and the aftermath is that the skull can be seen. If it is not kept clean, infection can develop and that is going to be the end of the bird.
Unless the scalp has not been entirely ripped from the body and could be reattached with sutures, the bare area could take months to heal. Anyone wanting to help a bird in this situation should expect to hold that pigeon for a long time. The only treatment is to keep the wound clean. There is a very good disinfectant on the market called Nolvasan. It is used to clean cages and coops and swabbing the wound with Nolvasan twice a day will serve to keep the area clean and infection free.
It does happen more than anyone realizes. A few months ago, I saw an adult male that had been scalped above the left eye and towards the top of the head. I didn't have any food with me so there was no way that I could grab the bird. On the weekend, I brought some food to the area and brought the flock down. The bird was there and the skin around the wound looked redder. An attempt to get the bird failed and a week later another try at it also failed. That time, the area was definitely infected. I didn't see the bird again after that.
Expect many disappointments and try not to become like me, losing some sleep thinking that there is a bird out there that needs help.


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Skin infections around the eye:
I had received a call from a neighbor who feeds pigeons that she picked up a "blind bird." When I got the bird, there was a lot of matter caking both eyes. The feathers all around both eyes were all matted as if they had been glued. They weren't but it looked that way. In the center of the caking, I could see a small opening and there was an eye there.
My first instinct was to assume that there was an eye infection and that the oozing had spread out to the surrounding feathers and matted them. It turned out that the opposite was true.
Never use an oil based antibiotic salve on a bird. The oil spreads out and takes away the feathers' heat and cold insulation abilitities.
I used a water based antibiotic cream and covered both the eye and surrounding feather areas. In a few days, the matted feathers around the eyes started to loosen up and I was able to remove them. They came off in one piece. Lo and behold, the eyes were fine. The entire area around the eyes had a skin infection. The eyelids were fine.
You would not believe the look in that bird when he could see for the first time in I don't know how long.
When the redness on the skin disappeared, I released the bird back to his flock.


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Unknown Illnesses:
We can pick up a bird and no matter what we try to do to help, the pigeon will die. Just because we don't know what the cause of death was, doesn't mean anything. The bird was not tested by laboratory procedures. The cause of death may not be known to us but that doesn't mean it was an unknown illness. It was we who did not know.
There is one that I and others have come across that remains a mystery. There are a number of illness out there that are defined as "going light" diseases. The bird loses weight and there are other symptoms. These illness can range from a type of tuberculosis (MA) to a chronic salmonella(parathyphoid).
I and others whom I know have picked up birds that have lost huge amounts of weight. The bird is weak and droppings are not normal. We hand feed and give any number of medications and the bird dies anyway.
One day I was talking to a Connecticut rehabilitator and mentioned this weight loss to her. She said she had experienced the same kind of symptoms in a few pigeons and had a carcass taken over to the vet whom we both use. He did a necropsy and found that all organs looked fine. The only thing that was wrong was that there was absolutely no fat in the body. The cause was unknown to the vet.
My best guess would be that it is a metabolic failure. Something may go chemically go wrong with the thyroid and some imbalance burns up the body fat.
It sounds logical except for one thing. This happens to birds in spurts. There are times when we see a number of birds during the same time period with this condition and as quickly as it comes, it fades away.
This doesn't appear to be relegated to pigeons only. Recently, on a parrot club, I had mentioned this and one person posted that she lost a parrot(conure) to a total loss of body fat and that is the only thing the vet found wrong with the bird. If one parrot makes for a generalization that it does cut across species, then it was the same thing.
Remember that just because you may pick up a bird with very little body fat means nothing as far as diagnosing the illness or state of starvation but it might be this unknown illness.




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Old 20th January 2002, 07:56 AM
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Air sac problems:
Bird do not breathe in the same way we do. The chest in a bird will expand horizontally and that pulls air into a series of air sacs attached to the bronchials. Exhaling actually pushes the air from the air sacks into the lungs where the blood gases are exchanged. When the bird inhales again, the air sacs take in another quantity of air and the exhalation also pushes the old air out of the lungs. We need only to take one breath and one exhalation. Birds need to do this twice in the normal breathing process.
There is no separation between the lungs and the crop/intestines in a bird. Any illness in either the crop or the lungs/air sacs can easily spread to the other organs. I had a cockatiel that picked up a fungal infection called Aspergillosis in it's lungs. The infection broke through the lung wall and set up shop in the intestines. There was a bridge of foreign tissue attaching the lung to the intestines and there was no chance that my cockatiel was going to live and it didn't.
If a bird sustains an injury to an air sac, the sac can burst open allowing air to escape into the chest cavity. The bird's chest blows up like a balloon. The equalization of air pressure in the chest cavity and the outside makes it difficult for the bird to breath.
To save the bird, take a clean pin and make a puncture in the skin above the crop. Be very careful that the pin will not penetrate the crop. When the pin is in, pull the opening down. In other words, stretch the opening make by the pin. Gently press on the chest and the air will escape through the opening you made.
This happens more often with other birds such as robins but I have seen this a few times in pigeons.
I always give the bird an antibiotic while the air sac heals.
Air saculitis is a condition that is caused by a number of different ailments. The air sacs can be a nesting place for air sac mites. There can be a general disease that causes inflammation of the air sacs. Bacterial infection can cause it. Aspergillosis can cause the condition. Gout can cause deposits to form in the air sacs.
Ivermectin will kill air sac mites. Sometimes, nothing will alleviate the more generalized air sacculitis and the cause can only be determined by necropsy. When it occurs in parrots, the birds have to be periodically taken to a vet to have the air expunged. Vets us a hyperdermic needle to draw out the air from the chest cavity. I found that using the pin method is just as effective.
If you hear clicking sounds in the chest when the bird breathes, suspect that something is very wrong in the air sacs. Whatever is in them is bouncing inside as the sacs expand and contract and that is the clicking you hear.
There is one pigeon that has a naturally puffed up chest. I forget the name of that type bird and I hope somebody here knows it. It may be called a Puffer. Obviously that appearance is normal for that type of pigeon.
The air sac problem can be totally different that a bird that has chest wheezing and congestion. You can hear fluid in the chest. That is more likely a respiratory infection and is treated with antibiotics. Granted, it can sometimes be very difficult to distinguish between the two conditions.



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Old 20th January 2002, 09:30 AM
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I'm posting a link about pigeon diseases below. The discussion on paramyxo is very good and extremely interesting. It does not cover droppings and I do want to go over that.
To my knowledge, there are 7 viruses in the paramyxo family. The one that hits pigeons is PMVI. I believe PMVII hits parrots and it does not exist in this country so far.(West Nile virus wasn't in this country either until a couple of years ago).
A bird infected with PMVI will not transmit it to a parrot. Those birds are susceptible to PMVII.
The author at this link believes the bird can be treated and cured. Everything I have read about it indicates that it is fatal in 95% of the birds that develop it and the other 5% that survive become carriers for life. I hope some of the folks here who have had experience with this virus can shed some light on who is giving correct information.
I also understand that this is an airborne disease and birds in coops can be carried out by the dozens, dead.
Everything I have read about this virus is that it can be treated but that it can reoccur in the bird a couple of weeks later.
Droppings can be almost pure liquid and profuse. How a bird can be sustained with such a great loss of electrolytes is something I don't know. I have come home to a bird that was literally standing in urine saturated towelling. Giving Pedialye as a way of replacement of electrolytes never did anything to help the bird recover.
The solid portion of the droppings can be string-like. That alone is not a symptom of PMVI. It can be part of the process but there are other causes for that happening so if you get a bird that has string droppings, it is not always a symptom of PMVI. It could also be the result of a mild case of PMVI. If profuse urine develops later, you have a bird with PMVI. I have one adolescent at home now that does not appear to have the virus but had the string droppings. There could have been an infection in the intestines that caused swelling and therefore caused a thinner solid dropping. The bird's droppings are fine now and Baytril is what helped. Msybe. And maybe it was a case of a mild PMVI.
But if the newspaper or towelling is soaked through from liquid droppings, I can't see how the bird can be saved.
In the meantime, if you have a bird with PMVI near other birds, those pigeons are going to be in danger of contracting the virus.
There are three possible reasons why a bird will walk around in circles and or twist its neck making up down and down up, not be able to hit the food it aims at and not be able to fly in a straight line. The first is the PMVI. The second is a concussion and the third is an inner ear infection.
It has to be your call if you bring in a bird with the nervous system symptoms. I would think that the most probable reason is PMVI.
I will not take a chance and knowingly bring in a bird with the above symptoms but it has to be up to you.
Here is the link to the site: http://www.comanco.com/understa.htm


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