I Have Been Written Up

[george simon]

Originally Posted by george simon

Hi ANDINLA, I wonder what the big cheese also known as LIMBURGER a real smelly type of cheese would say about CORNELL UNIVERSITY'S projects. CLASSROOM FEEDER WATCH www.birds.cornell.edu/cfw and the dreaded PROJECT PIGEON WATCH www.birds.cornell.edu/ppw all for school childern. GEORGE SIMON

TO ALL PIGEON-TALK MEMBERS, I hope you will take the time to go to the two sites posted here they are filled with a world of information. The project pigeon watch has answers on things like the west of nile ,on the effect of [WON] on the crows. The classroom feeder watch is a great tool for teaching childern about birds. PLEASE TAKE THE TIME its one way we can get the word out to childern.Maybe I have posted this in the worng place if so I am sorry.But we need to fight the narrow mined people we incounter every day. Keep the fate. GEORGE SIMON

[SmithFamilyLoft]

Originally Posted by Lady Tarheel

Warren - did you get up on the wrong side of the bed today? Why in the world would you attack Andi like you did? And you a moderator. Here lately, almost every post you make is negative. I have agreed with you on some things but this is definitely not one of them.

I will concede that it is possible that I did get out of the wrong side of the bed. But, in rereading my post, I don't think I attacked anyone. I pointed out some realities in the work place, as I see them. I also felt there would be some value in giving a point of view which was not offered, that of the Administration.

I understand now, that not everyone holds the same work ethic that I do. And never in my wildest imagination, could I see myself coming onto a pigeon forum and complaining about my employer who had given me 10 years of employment. Never once, did I even consider taking a paper clip, from an employer. If my supervisor or management, asked me to follow certain guidelines, then I did. Perhaps that is why, for much of my adult life, I have ended up as part of the management team. That was untill I gave up management for ownership.

I am sorry if my view, or if my words, seem unduly harsh. Apparently my one ideal, has already been done. And that is if you don't like your job, then quit. I guess I could add on to that, if you don't like your job, can not be loyal to your employer, and can not give your best effort, then do both yourselves a favor, and find a place where you look forward to going to work, life is to short.

I guess, I underestimated, how few people are able to see things from the point of the owners, or administration. It stems in part I think, from the thinking of "entitlement". Which just goes to show, how far off the topic this thread has gone. And why I should never have ventured off the topic of pigeons.

As far as "Here lately, almost every post you make is negative", I will have to review the posts that I have made lately, and see if I could have been more positive. Of course, if your looking for a guy who will sugar coat and then lead the cheers, then you might be looking in the wrong place.

[bevslape]

Originally Posted by SmithFamilyLoft

I will concede that it is possible that I did get out of the wrong side of the bed. But, in rereading my post, I don't think I attacked anyone.

To quote you........

"So, far you have demonstrated to this bystander, that you engage in theft, do not follow rules, and generally have a problem with authority."


And.....

"Find an employer who will over look you taking stuff and not following policy. If you are providing such valuable service, then employers will be lining up to hire you. If on the other hand, they won't be lining up, because you should be happy to have a job, then you better get with the program, and do what you are told. Because my guess is, you can be replaced pretty simply and perhaps for less money."



I think I would feel like I were being attacked if you had said that to me.

[bevslape]

And.......

Originally Posted by SmithFamilyLoft

And never in my wildest imagination, could I see myself coming onto a pigeon forum and complaining about my employer who had given me 10 years of employment.

This post was on the "General Discussions" area of the forum where most people talk about things other than "Pet Pigeons or Wild "Feral" Pigeons".
Is there a rule that I am not aware of that precludes one from discussions that include talking about ones' everyday life?? That is one of the nice things about this forum. It is a shame if it is truly discouraged.

[mr squeaks]

Also, the whole issue started because of Andi feeding a pigeon, which IS this forum. The fact that she used a cracker and a big deal was made out of it, is, imo, very petty. Obviously, there were other issues that were involved and at least Andi had a chance to "speak her piece." From the information she gave, I, personally felt she did the right thing in quitting, and Warren, she followed the principle of "if you don't like it, quit."

I have ALSO seen this principle in action and think it's deplorable. What kind of attitude is that to have for a workplace?! I realize that things are changing and people today will rarely stay in a workplace for any length of time. Along with the above "if you don't like it, quit" is the worker's attitude of "I'm leaving, not giving much, if any, notice, and if people are left holding the bag, who cares?" People are going to be changing jobs like they change their underwear - OFTEN! Too bad, why not stay and go for a POSITIVE CHANGE?? Then, IF that is impossible, you always have the choice to leave. Too many times, I have seen people just give up and not pursue. Sometimes, amazing things happen when people DO speak up and KEEP speaking up!

YES, there are rules and regulations. But when individuals who work for a company are not shown any respect, why should they strive to be loyal and CARE what happens? What a sad turn of events in a workplace!

Finally, I enjoy this site! I laugh, cry and become "involved/concerned" with members who seem to have the same ideals I do. They are like family and when attacked, I will rush to their defense! We don't all agree but that's how we learn, hearing someone else's point of view. Yes, we get angry and state our heated opinions. But there is a BIG difference between attacking an issue and attacking a person.

[Pigeonpal2002]

Hi Bev and all,

I'm really sorry this has escalated as much as it has I think that there are times when people say things that come out harsh and inappropriate. I'm not defending Warren or trying to speak for him but I think most of us have said things at times that we wish we hadn't. We're only human and unfortunately, we are emotionally driven creatures

As to the general discussion forum and it's purpose, this forum was meant to be used for other topics that don't fit into the other categories, but STILL relating to pigeons. There are no rules as such stating that we can't talk about other topics but at times, and as this situation proves, it can lead to hurt feelings and disruption of the group. Therefore, we like to keep the O/T discussions to a minimum. Of course there are times when they happen, and most times they are fine. We don't wish to seem unyielding but, just try to keep it toned down a bit about personal issues folks

[Pidgey]

What an awful predicament! In the strictest sense, what Warren says is essentially correct in principle. However, from the heart, it seems excessively heavy-handed.

And the dilemma goes to the very core of humanity’s adventure on this earth: how to balance The Rule of Order against Compassion. Some of our greatest books have been written with this as their underlying theme: Victor Hugo’s Les Miserables and Charles Dickens’ A Christmas Carol to name a few. While a culture cannot do without the one, neither can it long survive without the other. What is needed is a reasonable balance.

Pidgey

[Victor]

It is always comforting to come to Pigeon Talk to share stories, and to help other members. It has been a stress reliever for me. I certaininly can not talk about pigeons all the time at my work place, because other people are either not as interested or don't care about pigeons.

Andi came here to release some pressure. I have been guilty of that as well. Last year when I posted that an associate at the office was taking "shots" at my pigeon screensavers, I vented in here...does that make me a whiner too? I suppose it does.

Accusing Andi of being a thief and a whiner, amongst the other things that were said were totally out of line.

What makes it even worse is that a moderator on this forum made those harsh and uncaring remarks. Very unprofessional.

[andinla]

post or two of negative feed back. But warren does not understand maybe,?? here at pigeon talk is where we talk about pigeons yes, we also talk about life with pigeons , around pigeons... My life at work for the past ten years has been taking care of 30 five year old children. During this time with the children myself and another co-worker took care of the wildlife around us. And after ten years of going by rules and polices that never stated we could not feed a bird a cracker. My co-worker never saw me steal a cracker , nor did I steal one.

FYI - I do have a new job and I will be making twice the money and there are parents coming to me , asking if I will watch their children, so I guess they are knocking down my doors as you say. I have vented here yes regarding my employment and problems ,but it also had to do with pigeon feedings. The people here (friends) are very caring and will give their honest advice. They also have the right to read or not to read my post and reply so if it is old news to you and you do not wish to read it , that is fine.... My family has owned a business in the past, and because of employee theft and workers comp claims my dad could not make the insurance payments and closed his doors, I would never steal anything from a employer , or anyone for that matter.

On to better things my feathered friends my life is changing for the better and all is good. coo-coo

Andi

[SmithFamilyLoft]

Originally Posted by andinla

post or two of negative feed back. But warren does not understand maybe,?? here at pigeon talk is where we talk about pigeons yes, we also talk about life with pigeons , around pigeons... My life at work for the past ten years has been taking care of 30 five year old children. During this time with the children myself and another co-worker took care of the wildlife around us. And after ten years of going by rules and polices that never stated we could not feed a bird a cracker. My co-worker never saw me steal a cracker , nor did I steal one.

FYI - I do have a new job and I will be making twice the money and there are parents coming to me , asking if I will watch their children, so I guess they are knocking down my doors as you say. I have vented here yes regarding my employment and problems ,but it also had to do with pigeon feedings. The people here (friends) are very caring and will give their honest advice. They also have the right to read or not to read my post and reply so if it is old news to you and you do not wish to read it , that is fine.... My family has owned a business in the past, and because of employee theft and workers comp claims my dad could not make the insurance payments and closed his doors, I would never steal anything from a employer , or anyone for that matter.

On to better things my feathered friends my life is changing for the better and all is good. coo-coo



Andi

Andi,

If there ever was a post, that I had made, which I could go back and rewrite, it would be the one I wrote recently.

I did misunderstand some things, such as the taking of crackers. I was under the assumtion that you had in fact taken the crackers, and were upset that the Administration was making such a big deal out of a small theft.

And the other things I said, in lite of the above, I am afraid came off like a wild eyed monster. I am truly sorry, as my writings blew this out of all reasonable proportion.

I never realized that I was so fast to cast judgement, or throw the first stones. I realize now, I need an attitude adjustment and some much needed soul searching.

My personal lesson here, is even a moderator like myself, will make mistakes. I normally succeed in not making as big of mistakes as this one, but this one has been one of my worst on this forum. I hope Andi, you will understand, that my intentions were not to harm or injure you, even if that was the result, and that you can find it within yourself to forgive me.

Best of wishes on your new endeaver.

[mr squeaks]

Originally Posted by george simon

TO ALL PIGEON-TALK MEMBERS, I hope you will take the time to go to the two sites posted here they are filled with a world of information. The project pigeon watch has answers on things like the west of nile ,on the effect of [WON] on the crows. The classroom feeder watch is a great tool for teaching childern about birds. PLEASE TAKE THE TIME its one way we can get the word out to childern.Maybe I have posted this in the worng place if so I am sorry.But we need to fight the narrow mined people we incounter every day. Keep the fate. GEORGE SIMON

Hi George...MANY THANKS! We all got sidetracked there for awhile but Andi beautifully set us straight. We all knew the truth about Andi and now Warren does too, so all's well.

Yes, PROJECT PIGEON WATCH is a wonderful activity for kids. I became VERY interested in pigeons and sent away for their materials. I learned a lot and their video tape showing the kids and their teachers in action was just great.
One of their publications, BirdScope, even published my story of Peter Pied Piper, the ASU pigeon. Cornell has excellent bird programs and they publish information about all kinds of birds, INCLUDING pigeons...

Thanks for the reminder!

Andi - when something is meant to be , everything falls into place. You have given a great example of that! Obviously, it was time for you to move on to bigger and better things! I will always be interested in your updates...Congratulations!

[Pigeonpal2002]

Thanks Warren,

I do believe that you've made ammends here. I personally believe that we all make "faux pas" at times but a sincere apology goes a long way


Well done, and Andi...I'm glad you were such a "duck" here. You allowed all that water to roll right off your back without blinking

Let's get past this folks....life is really too short to worry about such things or habour ill will towards each other. We're a very close and small knit group here but we're also a HIGHLY INTELLIGENT and CARING GROUP!

[Maggie-NC]

Thank you, Warren. That was a very kind and generous statement and I, for one, hold no ill feelings. You make many great posts, particularly in the racing forum, and I have learned a lot from them.

Peace!

[Victor]

Yeah, sure, he sent me a PM telling me he was sorry he "ruffled "my feathers and that he had no empathy for her. Yeah, he is sorry... my tail feathers.

[Pigeonpal2002]

OK FOLKS, enough! There is no reason to keep this going anymore. 1) Victor, I know that that message Warren sent you was from earlier this morning, BEFORE his apologoy tonight.

2) Warren publicly apologized to Andi and for everyone to read, accept his sincerity and decency. This is the sign of a stand up person, willing to take the heat for their actions.

3) since Andi herself has let this "slide", then there is absolutely no reason for anyone to get their feathers curled into an irreversible knot.

Please, let's move onto other things, ok?