Need help!!!!

[sweety]

I found an egg that fell about 10 feet off a ledge and landed on grass not breaking! The second egg broke leaving yellow and red liquid on the grass...

Now i have it sitting under a lamp in a cloth at temps of 94f!

It also has draker area {about the size a dime} at both ends of the egg..

I know its just a normal city pigeon!lol

First question is- is it still alive?
Second is-what can i do for it?

Any other info would be great thanxs!!!

um im a little desperate so plz reply soon!! so i don't do anything wrong! thanks again


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[dano7]

By all means, give it a try:

Incubation Requirements:

temperature: 98 - 100 degrees; not more than 104 degrees; any variance on the low side.
Temperature will cool briefly during turning sessions.

humidity: 55% on a hygrometer; light warm water mist spray on the last four days.
During incubation the egg must lose a certain amount of weight in the form of moisture, so that the air sac expands. At the end of the incubation cycle the egg will have lost between 13% and 15% of its weight. If the evaporation proceeds too quickly, it will become too dry for the embryo will not develop satisfactorily.

egg turning: at least three or more times a day (use a clean cloth for home made incubators since the shell is a semipermeable membrane which must remain clean). Turn the egg a quarter turn only each time.

The embryo floats toward the upper surface of the egg. If it is not turned it may stick there. Also, turning stimulates movement in the embryo which stimulates growth. Do not turn the eggs in the last 3 days before the expected hatch date, so the chick can gain a favorable position for pipping the egg and making a clean exit (not drowning in albumen).

time frame: 17 - 18 days after egg laying.

ventilation: Egg produces carbon dioxide which must be evacuated; fresh air is especially important during hatching; ventilate and cool one minute each day.
Avoid direct sunlight.

Emergency Incubator:

The above incubations operation can be attempted with a make shift incubator, but it would seem prudent to try this only in an emergency when no brooders, rehabbers, or incubators are available. The humidity cannot be controlled without a hygrometer and I don’t know how critical this will be. Here’s what you need:

• closed container with a window and a roof light rigged to achieve the required temperature i.e aquarium, etc.
• thermometer located at egg level and visible through a widow.
• pan around the eggs for water; a towel base.

[sweety]

well its been around 96 97f is that warm enough??

oh and if the egg does happen to hatch i have no idea what to do, absolutely nothing....so if someone can plz help me out with some clear details on how to raise this little guy that would be great!! and how do i know if the egg is alive..is there a way I can tell the difference between a dead egg or a live one??

I really hope it survived the fall!!

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[dano7]

You are motivated and that's big. I think the temperature is OK; have you taken care of the humidity with a pan of water close by, maybe a spray bath once in a while and make sure and turn the egg 1/4 turn 3 times a day.

If it hatches keep it warm but not that warm - maybe 80. Place it on a coarse fabric like a towel or a sweatshirt. The baby is first placed in soft tissue paper on the towel.

Food and feeding frequency depend on the age - for the first three days: 93% - 95% water and 5% - 7% solids. Use dry dog chow crushed into a very fine powder and mixed with warm water. for older chicks to weaning age: 75% - 80% water and 20% - 25% solids. The feed can be thickened more by about three weeks. By about 10 days pij can eat about 120 cc's/day (about 8 tablespoons). You want to fill the crop at each feeding (crop is below the neck - an expanded extension of the esophagus - it's full when it feels like a bean bag but not too tight) and make sure the crop empties by the next feeding.

In the beginning the chick will need to eat about every two hours - but it will not eat much. As mentioned, around ten days the amount will increase to to about 120 cc's (8 tablespoons) and the feedings occur about four times a day. Make sure and feed in the early morning and before bed.

For the first days you may get better control feeding with a pipette or dropper. After a few days you can use a plastic syringe (no needle), spoon (small with a curve bent-in is good), or a baggy with a small hole cut in one corner. If the bird is cranky then wrap it gently in a towel with just the head sticking up - it will calm down and so will you, and you can take your time.

You may introduce wild bird seed to the mix around two weeks if you spoon feed, and you can put some seed down and peck at it with your finger (your daddy now!) to stimulate the weaning process. Dip the beak in a water container that is secured in the corner to introduce the drinking instinct.



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[sweety]

well when it comes to the humidity no i haven't i didn't quite understand that at first, but im on my way to see that it does get some mositure....what do i do exactly?? and is it to late??i have had the egg for a day now oh and one more thing the white egg has grey patches on it...on the ends and one here and there around it..different sizes and shapes...what could this be??

right now i have it wrapped in a cloth under a lamp!!

how about a small carboard box with paper towel...and the egg in a face cloth with a little pastic pan thingy with water??? should i cover the top of the box with anything??

thanks dano7 for ur help!!

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[Nooti]

Well Dano has this thread well in hand - no help needed here! Didn't realise you knew all that about humidity and weight loss - good for you! :-)

[sweety]

okay the box doesn't work when i put the egg in the box with the tray of water the temperature went down to 92 93f
grrrr!!!! that can't be good! so how im a suppose to do this without jepordizing the poor little guy!

plz help!! dano7 seems like ur the only one that is ever on this forum! thanks alot!

[dano7]

You're right Helen! don't know anything about it except the notes I made from good old Matthew Vriends and his "Hand Feeding and Raising Baby Birds".

Hope you are healing well.

[dano7]

That's not good but you only lost heat because the water took heat to warm it up. Continue with the small water pan in the egg compartment but boil it first and the temp might stay up. Give it a fine mist spray twice a day. Don't cover the egg - you want it to breath --air in, CO2 out, some water out.

If you still have a low temp problem, then maybe you can place something in the top of the box to block the escape of heat - seal it with tape if you need to. The necessary ventalation will occur when you open things up to turn the eggs three to four times a day (quarter turn).

How old are the eggs? I have no idea of what the spots are - could be just a stain that changes color when baked.


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[sweety]

i have no idea how old they are...my grandpa told me that they look quite mature and will possible hatch soon because of the dark ends...but thats about all that i know..

I can't seem to get the temperature steady last night it got alittle chilly, and when i got up this morning to check the temp it was 90f temp is always changing.....there isn't much i can do im only using a normal desk lamp....well im trying and im starting to get a little disappointed starting to think this guy won't make it.

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[Feefo]

Bumping up

[dano7]

Just don't overcompensate and get it over 104. You can't control the temp because you don't have a thermostat to adjust for fluctuations in the environment - that's what incubators do. Keep trying, keep turning it and keep a little moisture in there and see what happens.

[sweety]

The egg is still changing color...its going from a solid white into a greyish tone...its turning grey more and more each day...what could this mean???

whats bumping up?? sorry im kinda new to this forum thanks!!

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[Anarrowescape]

bumping up means the person is putting ur post to tthe top of the topics posted im hand raising a baby pigeon at the minute s/he is doin good pin feathers r growing now by the looks of it its gonna b black and white. u can also feed them normal baby food the dried rice cerial that u mix wit water it seems to b workin wit this little baby good luck.


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Robert

[sweety]

so does anyone know anything about my egg changing colors??....im starting to think that maybe it isn't alive anymore>

I might just give up on it cuz i don't really want it going bad in my room (yuck!) i've had for 4 nights now..and it already had some grey in it when i got it but now it has alot more...i really need someone to help me out with this one as soon as possible!! thanks!!!

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