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Our members from the UK really need to be commended for the speed in which they all rallied around Diane to take a devastating burden off her shoulders, and, how fast they provided us with the proper links and current information. I just think that Cynthia, John, Leslie, Nooti Tania and Poo are quite amazing. Good Night Everyone, Feather |
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Bless all of you in the U.K. who are doing everything to help. The pictures made me cry. I think of how I love and care for all my birds and it's incomprehensible to me how someone could do that to a pigeon. It's beyond sickening. It just turns my stomach that this monster is still out there and is apparently continuing his campaign of mutilating pigeons. I pray he will be stopped.
I've read in news stories on Racing Homer sites that the Queen is herself a racing pigeon fancier. Perhaps she will be more sympathetic than one might think. By all means, let's appeal to her. In addition to publicity, what would help is some kind of reward for anyone who turns this guy in. If we finally manage to light a fire under the RSPCA's butt is there any chance they'll offer a reward for information on the perpetrator? Or could we somehow raise some reward money for information leading to this guy's arrest? I'd certainly be willing to donate. BTW, what is the penalty for animal cruelty in the U.K.? Here in the U.S. people can do jail time and pay stiff fines if convicted of animal cruelty. Assume it is similar there. |
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Oh, this burns me up! I am writing them too, Cynthia do you mind giving us the address or E-Mail of these ------s! Thank you Rena
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Cynthia, could you please E-Mail me those pictures, and exactly what is going on, I only picked up peices and it burned me. I would like to send to different news organization. Thank you, Rena re92346@sbcglobal.net Including Animal Planet! Since they always have SPCA on, I would like to know what they would have to say.
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Afterall, if any one of us witnessed an attack against a person we would not hesitate to report it. Because we know that such incidents are committed by individuals, not whole societies. These are not people who read papers or the internet or are out planning to copycat anything at all. Their illness comes fom within and can only be dealt with through the quick wits, sharp minds and active voices of people like ourselves. This thing lives in darkness. It is small and it is a very tiny minority that can be dealt with expeditiously. We can only combat it by putting a torch to the indecency of what is happening. Bright lights and public awareness will put an end to this situation. Bad things happen everyday and if we hope that they will go away by avoiding discussing them then we are badly mistaken. If we are afraid that by simply talking about it the situation will worsen then the battle is already lost. May as well just give up, go away and hope it gets better on it's own right? Gee, maybe it's a self curing illness..... Not! You are right on the money with your thoughts Feather. This needs media play. The more the better. Even die-hard pigeon haters will be disgusted by this story. It is off the scale. John, if you are willing to start up a fund or a reward to discover this person's identity I will contribute. Even if it's only a small symbolic fund. Perhaps my 20 pounds from Canada will let people all over England know that I am disgusted and am prepared to help to bring this criminal to justice. Let me know what you think. I am surely not alone here. (if no one is caught, you may keep the 20 lbs to help with your 9 new pijjies) All the best to you and to everyone in England who is working on this case. Cameron |
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JMO, but I think this person could have experience of pigeons...even our own members would have trouble catching that number of healthy pigeons and holding them still while carrying out such a specific mutilation.
As for identifying him, if it is a thug or a group of thugs he will be bragging about what he has done. 
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E-mail powerAs previously posted we have had some information as to whom may possibly be responsible, but the source of the information is unknown and until we can establish further facts from certain other sources we can not really say whether this information is accurate or not, but this information has been forwarded to the RSPCA and the Police as "annonymous" and a possible line of enquiry for this henious crime.
I would just like to THANKS  everyone at Pigeons.com for helping with this awful situation. Although I am in the UK, I am too far away to be "hands on" with trying to catch the birds, but as all you lovely people overseas know the "power of the pen is mightier than the sword" ( sounds a bit distatesful I know in these circumstances)Quote:
Cynthia has already kindly advised the e-mail address of the Manchester branch of the RSPCA but I list below a couple of links for the RSPCA main HQ and the GMP. Manchester RSPCA info@rspca-man-sale.org.uk RPSPCA HQ - http://rspca.org.uk You need to go Contact ( bottom left hand corner) then Web Enquiry - Click here and you will need to register with a user name and password but once you have done that you can post a complaint and they should get back to you - may take a few days or a week but at least if we are all bombarding them with these emails they have to listen up and do somthing The police - again there is no actual e-mail facility about this but if you go to this link http://www.gmp.police.uk/mainsite/fe...Police/Schemes you can make a web enquiry and again it is a way of getting an electronic message through to them even if it is not through the correct channel. If the police do decide to investigate and we all know this could take weeks and months etc. if enough people are contacting them about this then hopefully thay will take this seriously. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH - lets hope and pray that Lesley ( and Diane?) are successful today in catching a few more of these poor creatures. Tania |
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Heres what I wrote them and am waiting for response, then I am still contacting people in media and organizations.---------------------------- Your reference number is: 1141562203
Thank you for your enquiry. Our response to your enquiry will be available to view via My RSPCA on the Society's website in due course. To login to My RSPCA go to: http://www.rspca.org.uk/myrspca Thanks and regards RSPCA The contents of your enquiry are displayed below: I am appauld that this is called a Cruelty to animals Organization and you all have been notified about these pigeons being mutilated and refuse to do anything. I would like to know exactly why before I contact the media, if you would like to see these pictures of these suffering birds contact me at my E-Mail and I will be glad to show you if you havent already seen them. Rena Bailey-NPA Member-American Racing Pigeon Union Member-911PigeonAlert Moderator
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Good for you Rena Scary message but to the point - it is a shame that we can't attach pictures to the messages but let's hope they take notice. Thank for taking the time to contact them.Regards Tania |
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Tania when I am mad thats how I talk just right to the point. Beleive me I am not a mean person. I just hate things happening like that, and they are claiming to be there to protect! Thats more than cruelty, thats some nut torturing these birds! We will see, Rena
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E-mail incorrectSorry all,
I have misquoted the e-mail address for the local RSPCA office. To reconfirm the addresses to contact they are:- Manchester RSPCA info@rspca-man-sal.org.uk RSPCA HQ - http://rspca.org.uk You need to go Contact ( bottom left hand corner) then Web Enquiry - Click here and you will need to register with a user name and password but once you have done that you can post a complaint and they should get back to you - may take a few days or a week but at least if we are all bombarding them with these emails they have to listen up and do somthing The police - again there is no actual e-mail facility about this but if you go to this link http://www.gmp.police.uk/mainsite/fe...Police/Schemes Tania  |
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I spoke to Rochdale police and the GMP control room, and an officer there found me an unpublished email address to which I was able to forward information about similar cruelty 3 years ago.
This information was elicited from a 'pigeon person' in the area by our Tania ("Kittypaws") to whom I'm most grateful for rooting out someone whose observations may be useful. For valid reasons, it would be difficult to put the actual statement in the 'public domain', but the gist of it was: an individual who is (I believe) connected with the racing fraternity states that he saw, 3 years ago, two men shooting pigeons and debeaking injured pigeons, in that area. He confronted them, and they claimed to be [let us say for now] some kind of pest controllers. It seems that something unstated probably ensued, since these men apparently called the police, who told our informant to move on [seemingly because they were satisfied about these peoples' legitimacy] and then went away, whilst the two men left the area. I have passed the actual statement onto the police for investigation. It is a very strange story, and unverifiable, but Tania and I agree that there is no good reason to doubt her informant. I wonder, now, if the individual who was witnessed mutilating a pigeon 3 years or so back (as reported in the local news at the time), may have actually been set off by seeing some birds in that condition. It is all something of a mystery right now, but I think the police dept concerned should be left to follow this particular line of enquiry up - though any of us, as concerned persons, may quite justifiably contact them regarding the CURRENT occurrences. John John
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There's actually an email link at the Greater Manchester Police website that will
allow you to write an email directly to the Chief Constable, Michael J Todd which I've posted in the Broken Beak thread. Here it is again: http://www.gmp.police.uk/mainsite/pages/aboutgmp.htm I think it's important to get to the top folks w/our complaints so that they don't bump around in the lower eschelons and get buried w/beaurocratic blunders. Because of the Queen's involvement w/RSPCA, love of animals in general and pigeons specifically, I also shot one off to her w/a link to the pics. Is it possible to post the autopsy report along side the pictures so that there is one link to give when writing the letters that says it all?? fp |
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"JMO, but I think this person could have experience of pigeons...even our own members would have trouble catching that number of healthy pigeons and holding them still while carrying out such a specific mutilation. As for identifying him, if it is a thug or a group of thugs he will be bragging about what he has done." |
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Oh I agree. People like this usually have plenty of enemies. I would bet one of his pub-mates would turn him in for the price of a few mugs and do it happily too. If the local paper publishes a reward it'll be over in a day.
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