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21st May 2005, 04:08 AM
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Hi Pigeonmomma,
The (Water Pack, and well rinsed, of ) small Sardines, are usually very mild in flavor, and, would only be one, and not the sole, dietary element for a young Carnivore Bird for a few or several weeks of their growing. And would be agmented with tiny bites of fresh ripe Fruit and powdered Greens on that, and other things as to one's best guess or research respecting the percentages, roughly, of fats, proteans, sugars, and whatnot else they might be designed by Nature, to have been being fed by their parents. Grashoppers of course, generally, if one can find them, can be cut up also to be easy size bites...and too, any insect or bug to be fed to a Baby Carnivore or Omnivore Bird, or the parts of such Insects, need to be handed to the open Beak or set in there in what would have been the 'head first' orientation of the insect. One can cultivate Meal worms fairly easily in a deep Bowl, and let them eat fresh sliced Apples in a bed of Oatmeal...these, if to be fed, should have their little heads mashed tidily, before handing them into the gapeing Beak of your little one... Moths should have their Wings removed unless very small...thrips or mayflies and so on as far as I know, may be fed whole but of course, allwats 'head first'... Too, one may just go to some Tropical Fish Store, buy a thousand of Meal Worms, and let them have a few days in the Apple Oat meal Bowl...to sweeten them up from their otherwise stale and torpid refridgerator existance previously... Phil el ve 
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21st May 2005, 04:15 AM
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Hi Brad,
From whom would we obtain the ( 'true' ) residual pestacide content, antibiotic residue and fecal matter content, the Mercury, Lead, Cadmium and sundry else of commercial 'dry' or other, so called 'pet food'? Or, I would trust that stuff, about as far say as I can throw it when in 100 lb bags... Lol... Ever read what it is made of? Well, "some" brands are allrighty enough I imagine, but, the ones in grocery stores, I think are not 'allrighty' at all...far as I know anyway... Anyone who has gotten a 'flu or many other innoculations, has got more Mercury and fast, than a case of Sardines would likely ever approach. Latex Paint also... Potatoes... Commercial Do-Nuts...(read the box, "antifungal agents" or other phrases...'moldicides'...) Yeeeeesh... Oh well... I myself would not worry about the potential Mercury content of Sardines... Of 'Tuna, yes... Sardines, "no"... Best, Phil el ve
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21st May 2005, 04:19 AM
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Hi Brad,
Yes... "School"...is in session...allways... Lol... We seek to learn to be useful and informed, of many aspects, to those occasions of our relations to these Birds or their perils' or privations' address or remediations... Having our Hearts in the right place, is the admirable foundation...after which, or upon which, knowledge, experience, and determination to get more of both, find more of both, seem to be the direction which calls... Phil le ve Last edited by pdpbison; 21st May 2005 at 04:28 AM.
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21st May 2005, 04:22 AM
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 ....that is all any of us can agree on...we're always learning but again, nothing is ABSOLUTE, nothing perfect. We do our best with what we have and know, providing that we have educated ourselves as best we can
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21st May 2005, 04:32 AM
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Hi Brad,
Yup...and humbly 'yup', too... I have goofed things up sometimes and it sure hurt when I realized it. I certainly learned some things the hard way..hard on me, but of course, was harder on them. This Site is really a precious resource, and we can learm more here in a week, than impirically, one would likely have done, in years of intermittant guess and golly and losses... Well, little Dove's chow got cold while I was writing, so, I will go warm it up now to fill the Baby Nipple for that method's try-out for her little curious hungry beak to try... Wish me luck! I know she is getting hungry by now... Phil el ve
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21st May 2005, 04:34 AM
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Best luck Phil....
You do a lot here and I wish you all the best in your "journey" to becoming one of those on a higher plane.....you will get there
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21st May 2005, 04:39 AM
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Sorry, that sounded condescending....wasn't meant that way. Just wishing you all the best and I know you will achieve things with positive outcomes more times than not!
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21st May 2005, 12:14 PM
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Hi Brad,
Lol... I am a curmudgeon...and as far as 'Higher Planes' go, I can stand at the door and look 'in' sometimes, but curmudgeons are an awkward phase needing some more improves before entrance is granted...or, they keep themselves out, in other words... Little Dove ate nicely last night, and delicately, as is their way...she has a broken or dislocated Toe I shall deal with here in a minute...otherwise, looks fine and delicate and bright. I was thinking, as I was trying to fall asleep while dawn was welling... To mention that my use of the Sardines, was/is predicated on their expediency and general nutritive advantage. It is easy to allways have them in ready in one's larder or pantry...and they are, in effect, a ready enough 'Bug' like protean with various trace elements... Now, likely a much less 'Sodium' containing Fish, and for most folks, an easy enough one to come by at the Grocery Store, would be Dover Sole. Dover Sole of course is a delicate, often thin fillet, which need be cooked only very lightly for normal people-meals. If rinsed well, I imagine tiny bits of it could be fed raw, or, it could be cooked "lightly' untill just becomeing easily seperated in flakes with gentle prods of a fork. In fact, years ago when I used to get swamped with Baby Sparrows to raise, I did used to do this. Now, what I need to learn more about, is the difference, potentially or actually, between 'cooked' animal Proteans, and, raw ones. Or, that I am confident, the raw ones are 'better', but I would like to know more. Likely, any good Sushi Bar, if one were to make friends with them, could supply little daily oddments of fresh wholesome Fish, which were too small for the presentations of Sushi...and these could be maybe be a pretty good thing. Then to, in theory, raw Fish may contain various kinds of (intermuscular or visceral, stages of the life cycles of various Ocean borne ) parasites, but, I myself would not expect them to endure well the body temperatures of Birds, even if some endure the cooler endothermics of people. Again, one of those things I would like to lean more about. I wonder, do Sea Ducks or other Sea feeding and Fish eating Birds, get any of the parasites which occur in the flesh and innards of the Sea Life they feed upon? Anyway... Phil Las Vegas
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21st May 2005, 03:55 PM
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Phil
At the internet public library they have a section where you can ask questions. Maybe it will help in your quest for knowledge. You are an inspiration. www.ipl.org
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22nd May 2005, 06:33 AM
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Little fellows didn't make it :-(After I got them settled down in a warm bowl nest they got hungry and I got some strained beef baby food down them they started to poop blood and then they fell asleep, I think they might have been pretty busted up inside from the fall to the concrete, they fell about 20 feet. Pretty tough little fellows to last as long as they did. Thanks for the starlings care link - that's a great place for info on dealing with baby starlings.
RIP little Rob and little Carl NAB :-(
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22nd May 2005, 08:31 AM
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run the risk of giving parasites, and freezing will not help w/that as tests conducted in Siberia showed that worm eggs frozen for over 100 years were still able to hatch. Sushi bars are wonderful, but if not marinated or cooked the risk of getting parasites is still there. Since birds can still get roundworms that have to be treated for, I would assume they could also get from raw fish.
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22nd May 2005, 08:47 AM
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Hi Nabisho, So sorry to hear about your babies, you did a good job and they were well cared for and comfortable in a loving setting which is sometimes the best that anyone can do. Two adorable little ones, your description of them eating and falling asleep before passing says it all. Last edited by feralpigeon; 22nd May 2005 at 12:17 PM.
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22nd May 2005, 08:49 AM
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Hi Nab,
Yes, very sorry that they didn't make it  You did your best under the circumstances.
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