sick baby pigeon 2

[warriec]

hello,

i was able to get some more clear pictures of the disease that is haunting me. one of the pics show boil or growth on the baby's vent. Advise would be great, i have already started on baytril (day 3 now)

warriec

[TAWhatley]

That lesion on the nose is almost certainly avian pox .. it's a virus and no antibiotic is going to help that. The "thing" on the vent could be canker .. that would be my guess. If it is canker, then you need one of the "zole" drugs like carnidazole, ronidazole, etc. The large nodule at the vent area could also be a very big pox lesion, but I would guess it's canker. Is that one at the vent area hard and solid to feel or not?

Terry

[warriec]

yes, its hard to feel. these zole drugs, how is it administered

[TAWhatley]

Originally Posted by warriec

yes, its hard to feel. these zole drugs, how is it administered

Orally by syringe of a solution of the medicine and water or by a piece of a pill placed in the mouth .. depends on what you have or can find. Please wait until some others have seen these pictures before settling on a treatment. I'm just positive the lesion on the beak is pox, but not sure about what is there near the vent area. Still guessing cloacal canker.

Terry

[pdpbison]

Hi Warriec,


Terry's mentions sound correct to me.

I myself have not encountered Pox, but Terry has, and it is occasionally discussed here in the forum.

Canker can localize in the Vent or sometimes the Navel...as well of course as other internal areas such as the Throat.

Metronidazole is another excellent medicine of the 'zole' family.

Depending on what exact Medicine you get, the dosage will ultiately be a factor of so much medicine to so much Gram weight of the Patient. Soe ay be dissolved in Water for Birds who are reliably drinking...while others coe in Pills intended for a full grown full weight Bird, and these pills or tablets can of course be divided so suit the Patient's weight/size.

Any Pigeon Racers or Fanciers ( or Poultry raisers ) should have such anti-trichomonal meds on hand, so if there are any in your area, you could try asking them.

Otherwise, there is a time delay of course when ordering supplies which must arrive in the Mail...

"Berimax" has been very good in my experience for Canker issues or Trichomona infections which Canker is. and ay be avilable over the Internet from some source not too far from you.

Do the youngster's poops show any 'yellow' Urates? ( instead of 'white' Urates?)

I am sorry but I know next to nothing about treating Pox and must hope others who have regimens will come along soon.

Is the Bird able to poop alright with his Vent being effected like this?

Phil
Las Vegas

[Feefo]

Is the one on the vent coming from the inside of the cloaca? Usually they develop inside the cloaca and can be felt as a lump.

If it is canker then you will have to treat the parents too. I can see no harm in treating for canker now, because pox and canker go together so often and the canker can be invisible. But I would certainly track down a suitable drug immediately, so that it can be administered quickly if others agree on the treatment.

Is the inside of his mouth clear?

My Be-Be Chan had canker of the mouth and the cloaca. After 4 days treatment with Spartrix the nodule in the cloaca was gently squeezed out.

Cynthia

[warriec]

what is spartrix, how is it given. i have alot of birds in the loft and individual treatment would take almost forever

[Pidgey]

When you've got young, it's tougher to flock treat because some of the drugs shouldn't be used during breeding season. Dimetridazole (Emtry) is a bad one for that. You see, the babies get a lot more water than the parents do so they end up getting a lot more medication because of it. Since I don't usually flock treat and almost never do when there are nestlings, I don't have to think about it but you will. How many birds do you have in the loft and how many nestlings do you have that are affected right now? Spartrix is Carnidazole, by the way.

Pidgey

[warriec]

Well about 40 plus pairs (i've lost track of them). right now i have 6 young and 1 infected. whats the best course of action

[Trees Gray]

You should use the appropriate drugs mentioned to get this under control. Some of them can be put in their drinking water. For heavy cases you may have to go longer then treatment recommendations and use Spartix.

I would isolate all the youngsters and start hand feeding them and keep them under 24/7 watch.

You can use a topical treatment to dry out any lesions that are not near the eye, or beak, regardless of whether it is Pox or Canker.

You can use tea tree oil, or Thuja oil to dry out any lesions that are not near eyes or beak. Antyhing near eye or beak you can dab on some colloidal silver, it also helps dry it out, and you don't have to worry about a drop in the eye or down the throat.

Also, I would not be getting any new birds until your birds are healthy. You probably should get some mosquito screening if possible.

[feralpigeon]

If you can get Ronidazole for the canker problem, this is recommended for
treating canker in babies as being the kindest for them and the most effective.
You might want to think about pulling eggs and replacing w/dummies for a while
until you get some of the health concerns under control. There is a vaccine available for pox that you could apply yourself, whether or not it is available
for you in India or if you could get through the mail is the question. Otherwise
you'd be relying on local resources which may be problematic.

fp

[warriec]

mosquito screening i've put up and the problem reduced alot. i am taking the sick young out and hoping for the best

[feralpigeon]

warriec, frequently birds here are given a topical and a systemic treatment that
deals with internal/external parasites. The netting may help w/mosquitos but
if you folks have 'pigeon fly' this won't fix the problem of passing along the poxvirus through a vector as I doubt the pigeon fly could be entirely abated w/netting if already there. The first line of defense is the topical, although having a systemic as well will ensure that the vector dies after taking the 'meal' which is also very important.

fp

[warriec]

yes, we have pigein flies too.

one of the other fanciers said to appy tinture iodine for the boild and it drops off. has one tried or know how it works

[Pidgey]

Pox lesions eventually go away of their own accord as long as it's the "dry pox". There is an internal "wet pox" that's another story. People have put the iodine, Betadine (another form of iodine that, I think, doesn't hurt as much), the colloidal silver, the oils... a bunch of different things, in order to keep the rough, weeping surfaces of the lesions from getting another infection on top of the virus.

The other things mentioned were with regard to killing the blood-sucking bugs that you may have on the birds inside the netting because they'll spread the disease just like the mosquitos. Those are pigeonflies and look kinda' like a flat housefly.

Anyhow, there is no known super-duper cure for the Pox but time and trying to keep it dry (so it won't spread as much) and clean.

Pidgey