Trich, Abscess, Pox and/or Something Else ??

[TAWhatley]

Originally Posted by feralpigeon

Did the doctor recommend anything topically at all?

fp

Only Betadine on the pox looking lesions on the underside of the lower beak.

Terry

[pdpbison]

Hi Terry,


Ooooo, what a ghastly looking injury/infection site that is...

Does it seem that it began on the Bird's lower right side under the or on the side of the Mandible, and progressed across and so on?

Looks like the kerotinaceous sheath is bubbled up where the edges of it are just being effected...

My first thought was some kind of fungus infection, even as some people are said to get in their finger or toe nails sometimes...

Dilute Chlorine Bleach in Water could be one means of eliminating topical fungal infestations, but likely better and specific meds are available for that of course.


Is the inside of her mouth being effected at all? Or is it just the outside underside there of her Mandible Bill?


Phil
Las Vegas

[feralpigeon]

If the damage on the underside is caused by a fungal problem, fungus loves moisture, so it couldn't be covered. For severe diaper rashes in babies and seniors the doctor's and nurses recommend washing w/solution of vinegar, patting dry, then using a hair dryer to make sure the area is completely dry. Then an ever so light, as in extremely thin film of anti-fungal creme. Even the over the counter prescriptions w/do, such as clotrimazole. If the layer is too thick, it's the moisture problem again. It's the frequency of the regimine that is
important, not the thickness of the application. Although it sounds as though the region is severely compromised at this point.

fp

[pdpbison]

...quite so fp,


The Mandible Bone is rather spongey in Geese and would likely offer less resistance than the relatively more dense Bone of other specie's Beaks/Bills...

But too, like most Birds, I would expect Geese to have impressive recouperative abilities.

Topical applications of dilute Hydrogen Peroxide might also be useful to in effect, chemically 'dry' the site and to eliminate the invasive fungal organisms, I would think...if it is in fact some order of fungal infection.

Somehow, and of course my experience is limited, and even more limited being mostly with Pigeons, I would be surprised if Trichomonas could colonize a site like this one is...but there are other Bacteria who might get away with it, and as Pidgey suggested above, some Lab Tests might reveal what organisms are teeming in there to identify them and then decide the regimen and meds.


I think their circulation is quite good in their mandible there, in so far as the underlieing bone being in something better than in an eddie...


Still, thank goodness this was caught without it having advanced further...all in all, this might work out pretty well for the Goose, even if with some scarring of the area afterward.


Phil
Las Vegas

[Camrron]

That poor bird must be miserable to be like that. I looked at the photos and just thought it reminded me of severe cases of warts I have seen or wart-like growths. Literally the living flesh and tissue growing in distorted ways because of a virus. I hope you can find a solution for this bird Terry but who would not understand if there was none. He is in good hands with you.

Cameron.

[feralpigeon]

Yes, Cameron, you are so right that this bird is in good hands, couldn't agree more on that one. Think we all hope that this bird makes continued recovery in its' care & rehab.

About bleach and peroxide as directly related to yeast/fungi; as far as I know, in the different systems that I have researced over the years for human treatment, the preferred choice is a water/vinegar solution, as opposed to bleach or peroxide. Having said that, as a craftsperson, yes, in a house, I would use a bleach solution. Perhaps a water/bleach solution might be considered too harsh for skin contact and that is why the vinegar/water solution is promoted. But from my first inquiry that started w/Jethro Kloss and "Back to Eden", to the HMO doctors and nurses of the Kaiser HMO currently, the treatment for yeast based rashes w/be a solution of vinegar and water, w/the skin thoroughly dried w/a hair dryer, then an ever so thin application of an anti-fungal creme of whatever strength that you can get your hands on, at least 4 times a day. Want the condition to resolve earlier?
Increase the frequency of treatments.

fp

[TAWhatley]

Hi all,

I'm dealing with a husband with acute gall bladder infection/inflammation for the past month (the surgeons missed the window of opportunity to just remove the danged thing) and a very sick 90 year old father today .. extreme UTI complicated by other things. Thus I apologize for slow responses and pretty disjointed ones .. I'm tired and have my hands full here.

Anyway, the goose is doing as well as could be expected right now. If I had the goose (which is actually a Shelduck), I might be willing to "experiment" a bit on my own to figure things out, but I don't have this bird .. my friend, Anita, does. She is capable and competent, but I'm not going to ask her to disregard the instructions of the avian vet who saw the bird. Yes, again, I know that sometimes some of us do .. wise or not, I don't know.

The big threat with this bird is that there is a huge gaping hole under all those pox looking lesions. The central part of a lower waterfowl beak is tissue with only the outer edges being "hard". If there's a big hole under there, we are in deep Shelduck poop.

Please do keep your thoughts and advice coming .. when I get a spare minute or two, I do read and think about them.

Terry

[TerriB]

Originally Posted by TAWhatley

...The big threat with this bird is that there is a huge gaping hole under all those pox looking lesions. The central part of a lower waterfowl beak is tissue with only the outer edges being "hard". If there's a big hole under there, we are in deep Shelduck poop...
Terry

First and foremost, I'm so sorry about the problems your husband and father are dealing with! This will obviously be taxing for you. Wish we could help more directly than just sending healing vibes. Hope they heal quickly and without incident. I know that they have an extremely capable caregiver watching over them...and if they refuse to eat, just tube them!

Regarding the lower beak, if there is a hole, what about rigging a temporary scaffolding/support, to allow the tissue to repair and fill in? I can't recommend a material to use, but my suggestion was triggered by seeing the improvement that Nicobar pigeon has made, filling in tissue over a naked skull (http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/showth...light=nicobar). Just a thought.

[Reti]

Oh Terry, I am so sorry your family is dealing with all those health problems.
I pray your dad and hubby recover soon.

Reti

[Pidgey]

Terry,

I had a UTI from h*ll a year and a half ago and that's not fun at all. I went from 99 to 104 in twenty minutes after a run of the shakes that was worse than running a couple of miles. The stress of it that part alone could easily kill someone elderly so get Dad on the right meds and plenty of cranberry juice el pronto. Dad might have gotten the bladder infection from holding that mandrake that crapped on him in the truck that you were telling me about on the phone awhile back. Maybe not, but it's a possibility.

Don't know what to say about the gallbladder except that food should be bland and not oily or greasy. Requires less bile, I think. Anyhow, I feel for you and hate to hear it.

As to the shelduck, it's really starting to sound malignant, isn't it? Does the hole go all the way through to the base of the tongue or something like that?

Pidgey

[feralpigeon]

Terry,

Sorry to hear about your family's health issues and wish them both a speedy
return to good health.

fp

[Lady Tarheel]

Terry, I too am so sorry to hear of the health issues with your husband and father. My husband is just getting over a horrible UTI. The hard chills are really bad. I also had one 2 years ago and the doctor put me on Cipro for three days, which didn't help at all. Finally had to go to an urgent care and they put me on Levaquin 500mg. for 10 days and it did the trick. My husband was given a shot when he had his a couple weeks ago followed also by Levaquin. He is much better, but it took about 5 days for the pain to go away.

Our house will NEVER be without cranberry juice again. We drink at least a full glass a day and lots of water. It is the best thing in the world for UTI's.

Maggie

[Trees Gray]

Hi Terry,

I'm so sorry to hear your husband and father are having such health issues. It always seems like when it rains it pours!
I hope and pray they recover quickly.


Maggie,

Sorry to hear your husband was also sick. I didn't know that UTI could be so bad. I'm glad he is getting better now!

[Trees Gray]

Originally Posted by Pidgey

Terry,

I had a UTI from h*ll a year and a half ago and that's not fun at all. I went from 99 to 104 in twenty minutes after a run of the shakes that was worse than running a couple of miles.
Pidgey

Pidgey,

Not to change the subject, but I'm very sorry you also suffered from UTI so badly, I am very glad you survived, please forgive me for neglecting to include you in my earlier post.

[feralpigeon]

Oops, I guess I neglected your post as well, Pidgey, hope you'll forgive me .
A thumbs up on the cranberry juice for anything in the realm of bladder or urinary tract, in fact the concentrate pills are pretty good too. Got 'em at Trader Joe's.

fp