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6th December 2006, 09:42 PM
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Thank you Maggie, John & Pidgey
 Yep, Piglet's beak looks pretty much the same as this dove's. I will try to make the attempt over the weekend and if I can set up a time convenient with her to go over. I'm sure it won't be as difficult as it seems, but just as I said, I've never filed a beak before and it is a little more worrisome than doing toenails  Not sure I understand how this "straightening hardware" would work, Pidgey. I guess we'll see what my co-worker and I can manage together and starting with getting the beak trimmed. We'll see how that works out and then take the rest from there. I'll take before and after pictures as well for future reference for someone else. 
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6th December 2006, 10:07 PM
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Straightening hardware is not something that you're going to have access to although it can be fabricated if you're good with that kind of thing. These birds don't look that bad, though, so I don't even think of it as a viable option. Essentially, though, such hardware is like a pin and a guide loop or just a vertical pin glued on the side of one mandible or the other with the offset beak held over out of the way until the glue hardens. At that point, the upper and lower beak are held in alignment and can only open and close in alignment. That makes the joints remodel until their natural tendency is to stay in alignment after the apparatus is removed. Simple, really, albeit a bit radical for this one.
Pidgey
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7th December 2006, 08:10 AM
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Still wondering if there's a bird equivalent to what Orthopedic doctors frequently
recommend for humans to strengthen ligaments, i.e., Glucosamine Chondroitin, or if this could be given to birds? Not that the straightening hardware could necessarily be abanoned in lieu of the suplplement, but in conjunction with. fp
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7th December 2006, 08:20 AM
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Personally, I'd be more afraid of the fumes of the glues I'd be likely to use more than anything else with the straightening hardware. That's why I'd be more likely to try simply bending the beak to the correct position several times per day.
Pidgey
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7th December 2006, 08:20 AM
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11th December 2006, 11:31 AM
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Hi Brad A vet can also use a dremmel tool to lightly reshape the beak back into shape too and it usually doesn't cost too much.
Cindy
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11th December 2006, 11:42 AM
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I use a dremmel on Jeepers and Oopsie. Works great. No bleeding. It's quick. I LIKE IT !
Daryl
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11th December 2006, 06:13 PM
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Thank you Cindy and Daryl for the dremmel suggestion. I don't have one of those drills and I don't think my co-worker does either. Both ladies are (unfortunately) not working at the moment so we're gonna see if we can do it ourselves. Many of the members have encouraged me/us to try and since it shouldn't be too difficult.
We were unable to schedule a time to try this over this past weekend so, I'm probably going over there sometime this week after work in the morning. Will see how it goes when I'm there and once we sit down with the tools and assess the situation up close. Thanks again,
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15th January 2007, 11:12 PM
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Hi Folks,
Sorry it took so long to give an update on this dove. My co-worker (Denise) and I couldn't line up our schedules until the week after new years and then I forgot to post about it. Anyway, the beak trimming went really well. Denise had special nail trimming/manicurist scissors and this worked great along with the emory board. She actually did the trimming while I held the dove. We went very slow and only took off the ends mostly but this was a HUGE improvement. The dove didn't even flinch really and was such a good little girl during the procedure. She can eat much easier now and the best part is she can preen herself again! I intend to go back soon and we're going to file a bit more down and smooth out the edges a little better. It really wasn't hard at all and there was no bleeding at all
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16th January 2007, 05:08 AM
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GREAT NEWS, BRAD!!
Thanks so much for the update!! VERY encouraging for others!
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16th January 2007, 07:52 AM
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Thanks for the update Brad.
Good to hear the beak trimming went well. I know the little dovey is ever so grateful.  Cindy
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#28
21st January 2007, 12:28 AM
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Hey Folks,
Went over to my coworkers again this evening to help with a little more filing of the dove's beak and we managed to shave off a bit more. I have to say though, we are afraid to go any further than what we have. The veins appear to be extending nearly to the limits of the beak & to where it is right now. I think we've done all we can and within our abilities. I did however think that the beak looked ever more scissored than the last time I was there.  The doves belong to Denise's sister who is out of town at the moment. Denise is also moving out of this house at the end of February so I think we've done all we can to help the bird. I have only met the sister once before and probably will never see her again and once my co-worker moves out of their shared house. Denise is going to try to teach her sister how to file the beak down as needed and keep it from overgrowing as best she can. I took over some grit for them (which they weren't using), suggested the use of avian vitamins, ACV and get the doves on a better feed than what they are currently using so hopefully her sister will take heed of some things. I remembered to take my camera this time and took a few pictures of the doves and the beak. I also took some of their other animals. Denise has a toy pomeranian dog named Tia, she's 12. Her sister has 2 female cats, Precious (a long haired siamese) and a short haired cat, named Stache, lol....you'll see why. The most amazing thing is that all these animals get along so wonderfully. The dog and the cats are great buddies and both the dog & the cats are so great with the doves. The dog can't seem to get enough of the doves, watching them intently in their cage or while they are on top of it. I'm told that the one cat will even sit inside the doves cage, peacefully watching them. The doves have no fear of the dog or the cats either, lol. Quite an enjoyable and interesting group of critters living together in harmony. Denise has truly fallen in love with the doves and is hoping to get a pair herself after she moves and is settled again. She's very much an animal lover and it's obvious that the animals in their house respond to her very much from what I've seen. Anyway, here are the pictures I took. With the doves beak, you will notice the scissor aspect in the two pictures. The upper mandible used to be nearly curled right under and was starting to grow upwards before we cut it.    Last edited by Pigeonpal2002; 21st January 2007 at 12:57 AM.
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21st January 2007, 12:28 AM
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And the furry critters
 
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21st January 2007, 04:40 AM
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They are all so adorable, Brad.
The beak doesn't look that great. I noticed also my dove's scissored beak is getting worse lately. I wonder if the trimming has anything to do with it. My vet told me that it can be set, haven't tried it yet but guess I will have to at some point. Reti
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