Tippler Question

[TAWhatley]

Originally Posted by wonword

if they dont make it back home after letting them go, then they automatically cull the ones with bad homing instincts.

I'm not sure I understand this comment .. can you please clarify?

Terry

[Grim]

He means if they fly and then never come back they are culled because they remove themselves from the loft. (Fly so high up and never come back)

[ND Cooper]

Thank's guys, now i've got a better understanding of the Tippler breed.
I was under the impression that Tipplers had a somewhat weak homing instintc, from what i've read.
They do not.
Common sense was telling me : don't try to change a breed that's been around for years and years.
But I had to ask.
Thankyou very much.
ND Cooper

[vouteman]

Originally Posted by ND Cooper

Well I've considered doing just that, But I don't want to go through the hassle of raiseing a large ammount of pigeons, just to cull 2/3 of them,to get what I want.
You did answer my question, so I'm not going to bother, trying to breed what I want (or hope to end up with).
Breeding more homing abilities into Tipplers, will not improve them, conserning flyoffs, or non-returns. Because you haven't had any, in your case.
Others have.
I would like to hear what their opinion would be.
Thankyou.

There is a guy that sells tipplers on Egg-bid that calls them, ''tossing tipplers."
I think he has had them out a little over 100miles. He said he had six birds drop in three hours and seven more a half hour later. I personally haven't raised tipplers but have friend in TX that does. He likes them because the hawks don't bother his. They eat everything else that he flies but not the tipplers?

[SmithFamilyLoft]

Originally Posted by ND Cooper

Thank's guys, now i've got a better understanding of the Tippler breed.
I was under the impression that Tipplers had a somewhat weak homing instintc, from what i've read.
They do not.
Common sense was telling me : don't try to change a breed that's been around for years and years.
But I had to ask.
Thankyou very much.
ND Cooper

Well....relative to a good racing pigeon, Tipplers do have a very weak homing ability.

There is nothing wrong with attempting to change a breed. I attempt to do just that every year with the two breeds that I work with. My Smith Highfliers, and my Smith Racing Pigeons. I attempt to change these two families of pigeons through "Selective Breeding". Every breeder of good show pigeons or performance pigeons, attempts to do the same thing.

To the best of my knowledge, no sane person attempts to take a family of show fantails, as an example, and attempt to turn them into racing pigeons. So if someone has a family of Tipplers which seem to get lost off the landing board, or through so called "fly offs" the answer is to breed from Tipplers whose offspring do not exhibit that trait. There is no such thing as a "pure" tippler, or a "pure" racing pigeon. Somewhere back in the family line, they all decended from the common rock dove. It was simply the selective breeding of many generations of birds, which had the traits the breeders were looking for.

Place a whole bunch of pigeon breeds together, and let them interbreed at will, in time the whole colony will revert back to a rock dove, very similar to what a typical feral pigeon at a park looks like. And I might add, this will occur at a much faster rate, then the time it took to selectively breed a common rock dove into today's World Class racing Champion. Taking today's breeds back to the looks of a rock dove may take less then 10 years, where as it has taken 150+ years to develope the modern racing machine.

[LokotaLoft]

the only thing I can add about the tipplers that I have is that the hawks love them

[TipplerBeni]

ND
i had tipplers for a while an i got mines trained to up to 20 miles i never went any futher and now i seem not to be able to lose i think they just breed better an smart young ever since i been doing this. I do tosses because hawks are bad an i fly all year long an sometimes here in fl the winds get bad. Tipplers are high strung jumpy birds thats why people lose alot because the feed they use also makes the bird real wirery. Pretty much like giving a 8yr old a monster energy drink an a bike an saying stay in the front yard lol THEIR GOING TO BE GONE soon as u take your eyes off them. i dont cross breed tipplers an homers but these birds are smart plus if you have good tipplers they are going to be flying high enough sso they should have a good preseption of whats around them i think 50 miles is a no biggy