ALL Sex-linked Matings

[MaryOfExeter]

In my other thread, I listed sex-linked matings ONLY with the base colors (ash-red, blue, and brown).

Here are the other sex-linked matings, using color modifiers on the sex chromosome.

Dilute (includes any dilutes - ash-yellow, silver, khaki, dun, recessive yellow, suphur, etc):
- Dilute cock x non-dilute hen = non-dilute (carrying dilute) sons, dilute daughters

Pale:
- Pale cock x non-pale hen = non-pale (carrying pale) sons, pale daughters

Reduced:
- Reduced cock x non-reduced hen = non-reduced (carrying reduced) sons, reduced daughters

Almond:
- Non-almond cock x almond hen = almond (heterozygous) sons, non-almond daughters

Faded:
- Non-faded cock x faded hen = faded (heterozygous) sons, non-faded daughters

Qualmond:
- Non-qualmond cock x qualmond hen = qualmond (heterozygous) sons, non-qualmond hens


And as a reminder, here are the sex-linked matings with just basic colors:

Blue cock x Ash-red hen
- All cocks will be ash-red (with blue flecks, because they’ll carry blue)
- All hens will be blue

Brown cock x Ash-red hen
- All cocks will be ash-red (with brown flecks, because they’ll carry brown)
- All hens will be brown

Brown cock x Blue hen
- All cocks will be blue (carrying brown, but that doesn’t change the appearance of blue cocks)
- All hens will be brown


If there are any others you know of, let me know and I'll add it to the list

[MaryOfExeter]

A few matings that will also help you in determining sex (not considered sex-linked, BUT they mght help).

Ash-Red (carrying blue) cock x Ash-Red hen:
- All blue birds that you get from this mating will be hens

Ash-red (carrying brown) cock x Ash-red hen:
- All brown birds that you get from this mating will be hens

Ash-red (carrying brown) cock x Blue hen:
- All blue birds that you get from this mating will be cocks, and they will carry brown
- All brown birds that you get from this mating will be hens

Blue (carrying brown) cock x Ash-red hen:
- All blue birds you get will be hens
- All brown birds you get will be hens
- All ash-reds you get will be cocks and carry either blue or brown

[blongboy]

where does the black birds fall in?

and are there different black?, like..i have one with with a bar tail ...another without

[MaryOfExeter]

Black is blue. The spread gene turns blue into black. So black can be in a sex-linked mating, BUT the inheritance of spread is separate.

There are smooth and coarse spreads. Smooth spreads are evenly solid colored. Like jet black where you can't see anything through it. Coarse spreads are the blacks where you can see the outlines of the bars. These are especially noticable with lavenders where the bars often show a bit.

Ususally if you can see the tail bar, then it isn't spread. A lot of dirty blues look very similar to blacks.

[PigeonX]

So is it to say that male young birds will have similar colors to the mother and the female young birds will have similar colors to the father in most cases?

[MaryOfExeter]

Sort of. There are a lot of different looks, especially when you have multiple color modifiers. So I wouldn't really go by that. But yes, in these cases, the boys look like mom, and girls look like dad

[shibu trippler]

i have 3 qualmond cock,what should i pair with them to get qualmond babies

[horseart4u]

ok i have a pair of rollers, cock is red check, hen is indego bar, first round i got a dilute hen and indego bar cock, second round i got red check & indego cock birds?? yes both are males...

[MaryOfExeter]

Originally Posted by horseart4u

ok i have a pair of rollers, cock is red check, hen is indego bar, first round i got a dilute hen and indego bar cock, second round i got red check & indego cock birds?? yes both are males...

That's normal. The only sex-linked part about it is that the cockbird is split for dilute and therefore the only kids that will show dilute are half of his daughters. Your cockbird must also be split for blue or you wouldn't have any blue kids from him Indigo is simple dominant, not sex-linked. So half the kids of either sex will be indigo, regardless of whether they are blue or red based.

[MaryOfExeter]

Originally Posted by shibu trippler

i have 3 qualmond cock,what should i pair with them to get qualmond babies

Qualmond is dominant so pairing it to any hen will give you either half qualmond kids, or all qualmond kids depending on whether he has two genes for it or one.

Unlike almond, qualmond is not linked to anything that can cause bladder eyes or premature death, so it is safe to mate them together.

[almondman]

Originally Posted by MaryOfExeter

Qualmond is dominant so pairing it to any hen will give you either half qualmond kids, or all qualmond kids depending on whether he has two genes for it or one.

Unlike almond, qualmond is not linked to anything that can cause bladder eyes or premature death, so it is safe to mate them together.

So you should not put two almonds together???? Also, I have seen posts suggesting mating almond to kite. Does it matter which is cock/hen? And, while I have your attention, what causes almond to get deeper as the bird ages. Does this happen for other coloring. I thought I had seen an article concerning this happening with red bald head rollers, but not sure. I don't understand much about my namesake.

[MaryOfExeter]

Originally Posted by almondman

So you should not put two almonds together???? Also, I have seen posts suggesting mating almond to kite. Does it matter which is cock/hen? And, while I have your attention, what causes almond to get deeper as the bird ages. Does this happen for other coloring. I thought I had seen an article concerning this happening with red bald head rollers, but not sure. I don't understand much about my namesake.

It's recommended that you don't put two almonds together because homozygous birds (these will be almost white cockbirds) CAN inherit genes with it that cause bladder eyes which creates poor eyesight or even blindness. They can also have issues hatching or may die before maturity like homozygous dominant opals can. Mating two almonds together will only give you 25% (technically half of the sons) of these birds and it isn't guaranteed that they will have health issues, but the likelihood is enough for most people not to take the chance.

People like to mate almonds to kites because it improves the color. Kite (kite bronze, blue t-pattern, split for RR) is essential to a good classic almond color. I personally incourage mating almonds to any and all colors to see how much almond can vary depending on what colors are involved But for show purposes, kite is important.

I'm not sure what causes the Stippler family to darken with age. It's just something they do! I've seen some old almonds that hardly look almond anymore. Spread almonds (a light bird with black splotches (breaks)) as old bird can look much like mottles!
Ash-red cockbirds carrying blue, their flecking gets more prominent as adults and may get heavier with age but it is definitely not as quick or noticeable as the Stippler genes. Just from what I'VE seen, my ash-red cocks once adults don't seem to change anymore. As squeakers the flecks may be smaller and less frequent than what you see on the adults.

[almondman]

Thanks Becky.

[MaryOfExeter]

Originally Posted by almondman

Thanks Becky.

No problem! I am by no means an almond expert though. I've never had one in my loft before. I do know a guy who's infamous for his almond birds, haha. His name is Wayne Murphy. If you have a facebook you could find him there with pictures of his birds. Every breed he has, are almonds. Homers, Chinese Owls, Trumpeters, Indian Fantails....and they are so pretty! Even his chickens are Mille d'Fleur and Tolbunt colored, which look just like almond in pigeons.

[almondman]

Originally Posted by MaryOfExeter

No problem! I am by no means an almond expert though. I've never had one in my loft before. I do know a guy who's infamous for his almond birds, haha. His name is Wayne Murphy. If you have a facebook you could find him there with pictures of his birds. Every breed he has, are almonds. Homers, Chinese Owls, Trumpeters, Indian Fantails....and they are so pretty! Even his chickens are Mille d'Fleur and Tolbunt colored, which look just like almond in pigeons.

Thanks for the extra info. I do not currently have Facebook, but I would like to see his birds. Is he on PT?