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Posted 18th May 2011, 06:11 PM
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color genetic pairing


can somebody give an idea on what colors of pigeons do i pair for me to have a certain color of results to their offspring?? like what color of pigeons should i pair when i wanted to have a grizzle, a pied or black spread resulting offspring~ could somebody share to me a list or chart of genetic color combination/crossing~? ^^


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Posted 18th May 2011, 06:18 PM
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Here are two sites that are extremely useful, when color matings are desired.
http://kippenjungle.nl/kruisingDuifSpecial.html and http://www.slobberknockerlofts.com/colormatings.htm
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Well if you want grizzle, you'll need a grizzle. It's dominant. Same thing goes for spread (what turns blue to black).
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Posted 18th May 2011, 08:16 PM
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thanks for the replies i didn't even expect replies right away when i posted this today and this is my first time^^ if i pair a grizzle with a red can i have a grizzle? what do you guys think would be the 2 offspring results~? i have them already paired^^
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Well if you want grizzle, you'll need a grizzle. It's dominant. Same thing goes for spread (what turns blue to black).
@MaryOfExeter thanks~!! yes i have blue bars and checks and i also have some grizzle pigeons~ what do you think colors i can crossbreed to have spread black the one that is pure black~?
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Here are two sites that are extremely useful, when color matings are desired.
http://kippenjungle.nl/kruisingDuifSpecial.html and http://www.slobberknockerlofts.com/colormatings.htm
@redleg23 thanks for the links!! by the way does homozygous grizzle means it has both grizzle parents? there are some terms that are a bit complicated.. and thanks for the second link it's helpful~ and also i want to ask what do you call pigeons with kind of wooden or like a brick brown colored wingshield with a typical blue underneath and head and tail~~~? it was like a check but the wingshield have a brick brown color
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@redleg23 thanks for the links!! by the way does homozygous grizzle means it has both grizzle parents? there are some terms that are a bit complicated.. and thanks for the second link it's helpful~ and also i want to ask what do you call pigeons with kind of wooden or like a brick brown colored wingshield with a typical blue underneath and head and tail~~~? it was like a check but the wingshield have a brick brown color
Homozygous means 2 out of the 2 genes are carrying a particular genetic characteristic.

So homozygous for grizzle means out of the two gene slots, both carry the grizzle gene. For an offspring to be homozygous for a particular trait, both parents should carry that trait.

Not sure on the pattern of pigeon you have mentioned, a picture would help, might be an archangel.
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@redleg23 thanks for the links!! by the way does homozygous grizzle means it has both grizzle parents? there are some terms that are a bit complicated.. and thanks for the second link it's helpful~
Hi there, you might want to read up on genetics and specifically pigeon genetics. Reading as much as possible will give you a sound grounding in the terminology used. It can get a bit confusing sometimes when we start babbling about dominant, recessive, homozygous, heterozygous and epistatic. Internet searches is an easy and fun way to get the basics down.

Here are a few more links to pigeon genetics websites:
Frank Mosca's site
Ron Huntley's site
Tom Barnhard's site
Mangile's Bare Basics of Heredity


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and also i want to ask what do you call pigeons with kind of wooden or like a brick brown colored wingshield with a typical blue underneath and head and tail~~~? it was like a check but the wingshield have a brick brown color
The bird you describe is probably an Indigo. But there are other genes that cause red/brown pattern on blue instead of the expected black (for instance Modena bronze). We'd have to have an idea which breed the bird is (or a picture - even better) to be able to give a more definite answer.
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and thanks for the second link it's helpful~

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Hi there, you might want to read up on genetics and specifically pigeon genetics. Reading as much as possible will give you a sound grounding in the terminology used. It can get a bit confusing sometimes when we start babbling about dominant, recessive, homozygous, heterozygous and epistatic. Internet searches is an easy and fun way to get the basics down.

Here are a few more links to pigeon genetics websites:
Frank Mosca's site
Ron Huntley's site
Tom Barnhard's site
Mangile's Bare Basics of Heredity

@rudolph thanks for the informations^^ i was just making sure and the terms seems a bit refreshing but i was once interested and familiar with genetics & microbiology~~ keke


The bird you describe is probably an Indigo. But there are other genes that cause red/brown pattern on blue instead of the expected black (for instance Modena bronze). We'd have to have an idea which breed the bird is (or a picture - even better) to be able to give a more definite answer.
@rudolph i've been researching about what color it is called but can't see anything very close to him~ only bronze came a bit close to his color~~ but i'm sad he was gone just yesterday ㅜㅜ the bronze pigeons i saw in the sites doesn't have fixed bronze wingshield and the color of their body and head are also bronze. mine is like a dark check only that it has a bronze wingshield~ i'll try finding more informations and pictures~ thanks!!
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@Henk69 i'm sorry i don't mean anything bad... it's just that the first link was very complicated for me... but i noted for both links so i can check on both anytime
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my pigeon looks like the one on the picture 1., only that it doesn't have the white instead he has a head and the rest of the body of a bluebar~ and it was also like the one on picture 5~~ please take a look on the link http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyl...na_bronze.html
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i also have the one on the picture 2 & 4~ i thought they were just simple check now i now they were bronze pigeons http://www.angelfire.com/ga/huntleyl...na_bronze.html
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How about Pied pigeons~ can i have pied when i breed blue bars with whites or checks with whites? pied pigeons is very rare for me^^
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by the way why is there no option for writing new thread...?
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