Color guessing game

[jbangelfish]

Originally Posted by DynaBMan

Renee,

I see what you are saying. The colors and patterns can vary a great deal, from one generation to the next. I honestly do not know what the parents of Bandit looked like. When I picked him up from a local racer, the mother wasn't on the nest. I do know his bloodlines are White Bandit and Stichelbaut. Bossy is at least part Jansen, the rest I am not sure. I suppose this is part of the fun, not knowing how the youngsters are going to turn out.

Hers are Piebald, yours are Grizzled and they are completely different.

Bill

[DynaBMan]

More speculation, but I was checking out the new babies this morning and from what I can tell, from the first little pin feathers coming in and the color of their skin where the wings connect to the body, I would say one of the babies is going to be a dark color and the one will be a light color. I will try to get some pictures later today and post them on this thread.

[jbangelfish]

Originally Posted by DynaBMan

Can you point me to some pictures of a stork marked grizzle? I am trying to find some, but so far, no luck.

Your bird is stork marked. Was he darker as a youngster before the first moult? Normally, this is how stork mark works.

I have a stork marked roller hen and will try to get a picture of her posted.

Bill

[DynaBMan]

Originally Posted by jbangelfish

Your bird is stork marked. Was he darker as a youngster before the first moult? Normally, this is how stork mark works.

I have a stork marked roller hen and will try to get a picture of her posted.

Bill

If you will look at the link in my signature that goes to My Pigeons and look for the pictures named Bandit, you will find some pictures before and after his first moult.

[jbangelfish]

Originally Posted by DynaBMan

If you will look at the link in my signature that goes to My Pigeons and look for the pictures named Bandit, you will find some pictures before and after his first moult.

The bird is stork marked as I said. It was considerably darker when young. Yours also has or is bronze. It would be nice if this pattern would stay but if the bird is homozygous, they will moult out to the stork pattern. Yours will likely get even whiter over time. Bandit had to have been produced by either two heterzygous grizzles or one homozygous and one hetero but both had to be grizzle to produce him. One of the parents could have been a pure white as most of them are technically homozygous ash red grizzle.

The young from this mating (bandit and the blue) will all be grizzles and maybe you'll get lucky and some will look more like the way bandit did as a youngster. These young birds from this mating will be heterozygous grizzles and look more like what people think of as normal grizzle.

These terms seem confusing at first and the genetics seem confusing as well but once you get used to them, they are really quite simple and you can learn to predict what many matings will produce. It's a tremendous advantage in your breeding program if you know a few of these simple rules. They don't change.

Bill

[Margarret]

I have black tigers. I'm told that they are a tiger grizzle on black spread. I have never plucked mine and wouldn't. Here is my latest pair. They look grizzle now, but will molt out to tiger.

Margaret

[MaryOfExeter]

Oh those are gorgeous birds Margaret! Are they Flights, or some other breed?
I'd like to see how they look after they moult out

[DynaBMan]

Originally Posted by Margarret

I have black tigers. I'm told that they are a tiger grizzle on black spread. I have never plucked mine and wouldn't. Here is my latest pair. They look grizzle now, but will molt out to tiger.

Margaret

Very sharp looking birds, Margaret. Thanks for posting the pictures.

[DynaBMan]

Okay, folks. I have some pictures of Bossy and Bandit's babies up on my blog, along with some pictures of the other babies. It certainly looks as if one of the babies will be dark and the other will be light, going by the way the feathers are looking as they start to come in. This could change with the moult.

Just follow the link that says My Pigeons and look towards the bottom of the page.

[jbangelfish]

Originally Posted by DynaBMan

Okay, folks. I have some pictures of Bossy and Bandit's babies up on my blog, along with some pictures of the other babies. It certainly looks as if one of the babies will be dark and the other will be light, going by the way the feathers are looking as they start to come in. This could change with the moult.

Just follow the link that says My Pigeons and look towards the bottom of the page.

I looked and it certainly does look like a light and a dark youngster. Let's see what they look like in a couple weeks.

You also have some pied markings in your birds and if Bandit has both pied and grizzle factors, you could get a wide variety of markings as someone else did but theirs were just pied, no grizzle.

Bill

[jbangelfish]

Originally Posted by Margarret

I have black tigers. I'm told that they are a tiger grizzle on black spread. I have never plucked mine and wouldn't. Here is my latest pair. They look grizzle now, but will molt out to tiger.

Margaret

Black modifies grizzle to a different look than normal grizzle and turns it to a mottle, which can result in the tiger pattern. Grizzles tend to get lighter over time and the first moult can sometimes produce a radical change in their appearance.

Recessive red and yellow have the same effect on grizzle as does black and creates mottles instead of grizzles.

Bill

[DynaBMan]

Originally Posted by jbangelfish

I looked and it certainly does look like a light and a dark youngster. Let's see what they look like in a couple weeks.

You also have some pied markings in your birds and if Bandit has both pied and grizzle factors, you could get a wide variety of markings as someone else did but theirs were just pied, no grizzle.

Bill

I really don't think Bandit has the pied factor, but I could be wrong. One thing for sure, it is going to be interesting to see how these birds turn out. It should add a different look to my loft, to say the least.

[Margarret]

Originally Posted by MaryOfExeter

Oh those are gorgeous birds Margaret! Are they Flights, or some other breed?
I'd like to see how they look after they moult out

Thanks. They are Domestic Show Flights. I'll post pictures after the molt.

[DynaBMan]

Maybe this should go in a different thread, but since it is still about my birds, I will post it here.

The babies in the picture at the link below are out of Frosty and Scrappy, a red-check cock and a blue bar hen, with a little splash thrown in for good measure. I think she also has the dirty factor, which gives here a smudged look. At first, I thought both babies were going to be red-check birds, but at a closer look this evening, the bird on the right looks as if it is going to be a pale blue, with a few red feathers sprinkled here and there. This baby may be more interesting to watch grow than the babies of Bandi and Bossy. The picture is cut down to save on size, but it is really clear in a larger picture.

http://myviewmytake.wordpress.com/my-pigeons/p1010037/

[Lovebirds]

Originally Posted by DynaBMan

Maybe this should go in a different thread, but since it is still about my birds, I will post it here.

The babies in the picture at the link below are out of Frosty and Scrappy, a red-check cock and a blue bar hen, with a little splash thrown in for good measure. I think she also has the dirty factor, which gives here a smudged look. At first, I thought both babies were going to be red-check birds, but at a closer look this evening, the bird on the right looks as if it is going to be a pale blue, with a few red feathers sprinkled here and there. This baby may be more interesting to watch grow than the babies of Bandi and Bossy. The picture is cut down to save on size, but it is really clear in a larger picture.

http://myviewmytake.wordpress.com/my-pigeons/p1010037/

Maybe it's going to be a silver. I get a silver once in a while and think it's a light blue at first..........have to wait and see I guess.