Color guessing game

[DynaBMan]

Okay, before I get into this post, I realize it is going to be total speculation as to the answer to the question. I just thought it might be interesting to see what you folks come up with, since most of you have had pigeons much, much longer than I.

Take a look at the the birds in the links below. The first is Bossy a blue bar hen and the second is Bandit, a cock that I believe would be a tiger grizzle. They have just hatched two babies and I am very curious as to what they will turn out to look like. I have looked at the color charts from Slobberknocker and again, I realize it is total speculation. I would just like your opinion, from looking at my birds and from your own experience.


http://myviewmytake.wordpress.com/my-pigeons/bossy1/

http://myviewmytake.wordpress.com/my-pigeons/p1010274/

In semi-unrelated news, Bandit is one mean Papa. He really argued with me this evening when I wanted him to take his proud self off the nest and let me get a good look at the babies. I'm talking about pecking, slapping, puffing up, the whole bit. I wish I had a video camera.

[Eriduardo]

From what I know they most likely will be blue grizzles or splashes.

[jbangelfish]

You should get blue grizzles with much more color than dad. Dad is stork marked, mom is blue bar. Stork marked is a double dose of grizzle which I think will make all young to be the darker or heavier marked grizzles. I can check my book to be sure but I'm fairly certain that this is the result.

There can be hidden factors and they could show up as well but you won't know until you raise some young or know the parents of these two.

Bill

[DynaBMan]

Originally Posted by jbangelfish

You should get blue grizzles with much more color than dad. Dad is stork marked, mom is blue bar. Stork marked is a double dose of grizzle which I think will make all young to be the darker or heavier marked grizzles. I can check my book to be sure but I'm fairly certain that this is the result.

There can be hidden factors and they could show up as well but you won't know until you raise some young or know the parents of these two.

Bill

Is stork marked the same thing as a tiger grizzle?

[aarongreen123]

can you post a link to the color charts? i am interested in learning the color stuff.
thanks!

[DynaBMan]

Originally Posted by aarongreen123

can you post a link to the color charts? i am interested in learning the color stuff.
thanks!

Just click on this link and look for Color Chart on the left side of the page.

http://www.slobberknockerlofts.com/

[aarongreen123]

thanks for the link!

[Lovebirds]

You could get any color.............here's the parents and their 3rd round of kids. They are in an individual breeding pen, so there's no question on who the parents are. The cock's mother was very white like you're cock bird so that's where these little guys came from. If I didn't know that, I'd be scratching my head.

[TheSnipes]

They sure are cute

[jbangelfish]

Originally Posted by DynaBMan

Is stork marked the same thing as a tiger grizzle?

A tiger marked bird is not a grizzle at all but has had wing feathers plucked until they come in white. Seems alittle cruel but it's an old show practice. Tiger Swallows are Silesians that have had them plucked to come in white. Trumpeters may be grizzle but the tiger is not natural, at least to the degree of every other feather which is the desired outcome.

Grizzle is heavily streaked with white on a colored bird. It can be any color. Black or Recessive Red modify the Grizzle gene to a point of mottled instead of grizzled. Blue, Silver, Ash Red, Ash Yellow will appear as normal grizzle as they do not modify the gene. So would Bronze or Kite.

Double dose Grizzle (homozygous) appears as Stork Marked. The bird is mostly white, with some stray feathers colored and possibly dark wing tips and a dark tail, hence the name Stork. They have a tendency to become whiter with age and many lose the colored flights.

Ash Reds that are Double Dose Grizzle show very little color at all and bred together will eventually produce all white young. Most white pigeons are this but not all. It's an easy thing to figure out though by breeding them to anything else will produce 100% grizzled young.

Bill

[MaryOfExeter]

Not all tigers are plucked. Some mottles turn out to be tigered, but definitely not perfect tigers. Perfect ones pretty much require being plucked, like the nice Tiger Swallows people have made.

[jbangelfish]

Originally Posted by Lovebirds

You could get any color.............here's the parents and their 3rd round of kids. They are in an individual breeding pen, so there's no question on who the parents are. The cock's mother was very white like you're cock bird so that's where these little guys came from. If I didn't know that, I'd be scratching my head.

They are piebald and can produce solids and anything in between but not grizzle or stork. The white is at the opposite end of what a stork is, inner, not outer.

Bill

[DynaBMan]

Originally Posted by Lovebirds

You could get any color.............here's the parents and their 3rd round of kids. They are in an individual breeding pen, so there's no question on who the parents are. The cock's mother was very white like you're cock bird so that's where these little guys came from. If I didn't know that, I'd be scratching my head.

Renee,

I see what you are saying. The colors and patterns can vary a great deal, from one generation to the next. I honestly do not know what the parents of Bandit looked like. When I picked him up from a local racer, the mother wasn't on the nest. I do know his bloodlines are White Bandit and Stichelbaut. Bossy is at least part Jansen, the rest I am not sure. I suppose this is part of the fun, not knowing how the youngsters are going to turn out.

[jbangelfish]

Originally Posted by MaryOfExeter

Not all tigers are plucked. Some mottles turn out to be tigered, but definitely not perfect tigers. Perfect ones pretty much require being plucked, like the nice Tiger Swallows people have made.

Some of them were near perfect tigers without plucking but they may actually have pied genes and grizzled genes. I don't really know but it is possible that the grizzle suppresses the pied to sort of restrict the white from the tail and head and somewhat to the wing. I never had any white tails or badges show up on trumps. Some would appear as perfect tigers until you actually unfolded the wing and saw that they were not perfect. I still chose to leave mine natural.

I had Silesian Swallows also but never plucked any of them and never had Tigers.

Bill

[DynaBMan]

Originally Posted by jbangelfish

A tiger marked bird is not a grizzle at all but has had wing feathers plucked until they come in white. Seems alittle cruel but it's an old show practice. Tiger Swallows are Silesians that have had them plucked to come in white. Trumpeters may be grizzle but the tiger is not natural, at least to the degree of every other feather which is the desired outcome.

Grizzle is heavily streaked with white on a colored bird. It can be any color. Black or Recessive Red modify the Grizzle gene to a point of mottled instead of grizzled. Blue, Silver, Ash Red, Ash Yellow will appear as normal grizzle as they do not modify the gene. So would Bronze or Kite.

Double dose Grizzle (homozygous) appears as Stork Marked. The bird is mostly white, with some stray feathers colored and possibly dark wing tips and a dark tail, hence the name Stork. They have a tendency to become whiter with age and many lose the colored flights.

Ash Reds that are Double Dose Grizzle show very little color at all and bred together will eventually produce all white young. Most white pigeons are this but not all. It's an easy thing to figure out though by breeding them to anything else will produce 100% grizzled young.

Bill

Can you point me to some pictures of a stork marked grizzle? I am trying to find some, but so far, no luck.