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Genetics ?sOk so I have spent the last hour trying to understand everything about genetics. I am trying to get some idea of what my babies (currently eggs) might look like.
From what I have learned this morning is my hen is a homozygous grizzle, she came from two grizzle parents I learned that means. She is all white except a tiny bit of black "dusting" on 2 of her tail feathers. ("stork marked"...I think thats what I read) also some black on her beak and she has colored eyes. So. This means homozygous grizzle (blue), yes? and my boy.....I originally thought he was a blue with the spread gene (making a black). But then I saw someone mention "dark" grizzle". What does that look like? I looked it up but was unsuccessful. So, what do you think he is? and am I correct about her? I looked at chart after chart but none were specific enough to hint even a guess @ what the babies might look like....any guesses? and a long shot.....he is a lahore or something that has feathered legs.....will the babies have them too? (mom does not) Thank you for reading....even if you don't know the answers..or hey if you even know one thats awesome  
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The dark bird, hard to say from the picture but I'd call it some form of pied and from the picture again, I'd say black but can't be sure from the photo. Can you take another picture with a side view? This bird is certainly not a Lahore but probably some type of Tumbler. Many of them are feather legged. The babies are likely to have some feathers on their legs but you never know. Are you certain that the dark bird is the cock bird and the white is the hen? It looks the reverse of that to me but tumblers and rollers have a feminine look and the white if it is a homer, well, they tend to have a masculine look. Bill
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Well....he was on top
 so unless they have created a new age position I think he is male I just took this pic 5 minutes go and put it in picture sharing. I never even noticed the red tinge because he is a house bird. But the sunshine wow it brings it out. Now i'm even more confused...  Thank you so much for your help Buck - (I didn't cut those wings, found him like that) Last edited by Kimberly_CA; 3rd May 2008 at 04:09 PM.
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Well, the hens will get on topQuote:
The male will always chase (called driving) the female to the nest when they are within a few days of egg laying. This is another way to tell who is who. The black bird which is probably kite (bronze on the shield area) is most likely some type of muffed tumbler. When this bird regains it's ability to fly, it is pretty likely that it will make single sommersaults (or maybe two) while flying. It is what they were originally bred to do. It is also badge or beard marked which are traits of tumblers as well and these are forms of pied. There is no grizzle to the bird. Bill
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wow that is very cool. I love pied animals and never heard of "kite"......so I gotta ask? care to venture a guess at the babies?
Yes he sits during the day and she at night  When you say chase is it pretty short? He was kinda rushing up to her but only for a couple secs. Then he would sit in the nest forever and call her to him. When they were mating the white one would groom his face and then they would lock beaks....she always went for it. Then after 20-30 seconds of beak locking kind of circling around the cage (what is the purpose of this? My guess is it has to do with crop milk? Like she is making sure he will provide ...b/c she was getting something outta there I think)....anyways after the beak locking she would kneel in front of him kind of vibrating her wings and he would get on. I watched this 5 or 6 times and never saw her on top. Call me a bird pervert lol, I found it fascinating. Thank you for all your wonderful answers Bill
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OK, your'e a bird pervertQuote:
The breeding and courting behavior that you describe is perfectly normal. Some males are more aggressive and seemingly relentless, than others. Some mistake it for bullying as it can be alittle rough but it is their way. I don't know what to tell you about all the preening and pre breeding behavior except to call it foreplay. The feeding is a ritual and I'm not sure if anyone can tell you it's exact purpose but I suspect that it has something to do with stimulating the proper hormones to make her lay her eggs and so on. Females will lay eggs without the presence of males but normally not as often. Bill
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Wow those sound like beautiful color possibilities. very very cool
u have been such a help, I was so lost before. There are so many variations out there it's amazing. I think grizzle is gorgeous and im excited that it seems I will probly get one. awesome and if the bronze does show thats ever more awesome. Gosh I can see where you all got started now.....I can see the future, and it's full of pigeon poop lol
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What a STUNNING PAIR, Kimberly!!
Will sure look forward to seeing babies!! Hugs Shi & Squeaks
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Thank you so much. Wow to hear you use the word stunning...well garsh it just makes me so proud
When I was called to get this bird the lady just said "he's dark" so I was expecting like a dark blue checker or something like that since she found him just out and about. When I opened the box I was like, wow....
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I think you birds are beautiful, too. It is always fun to see what the colors are going to be in babies. I have some Birmingham Rollers, red check and blue check. The red check and his ash red bar would have mostly red check babies with an occasional pretty ash red bar. I wanted to know what would happen when a red mated with a blue, and almost exclusively their babies have been an all over red brown with gray underneath (I don't know the name of that color). They are so much the same I can't tell them apart when they grow up.
I had one muffed hen (feathered legs) and out of all her babies she had one muffed daughter. The daughter has had several muffed babies.
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HI ROUNDABOUT, If you mate a red hen to a blue cock you will get red young a they would be cocks the hens from this mating will be blue.Now the young cocks will be carring a second color that will be blue. So they the young cocks when mated to a red hen could give you blue young when he does it will always be a hen. This is what is called a sex linked mating .........You must understand that the cock bird can carry two colors while the hen can only carry one color and that is the color that you see she gives this color to the young cock the father of that young bird gives one of the two colors that he may have to the young cock thus the male birds gets one color gene from each parent.Now if he gets the same color gene from both parents then he is pure for that color and can only pass that color to his young.........GEORGE
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George, correct me if I'm wrong. If the young RED cock carrying BLUE is mated to a BLUE hen and you get BLUE youngsters, then you couldn't tell if the BLUE BABY is a hen or cock because BLUE could have come from either Dad or Mom...........right? So, that scenario isn't a sex-linked mating. The first one is and I understand that part. I've got a couple of those type matings in my breeding loft, so I learned that part a long time ago. Actually, it's about the ONLY thing I learned. 
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THANKS RENEE,That sentance should read.So when they the young cocks are mated TO A RED HEN he could give you a blue young when he does it will always be a hen..........a red cock carring blue mated to a blue hen can give you two blues in the nest. good thing that you caught it right away I have made the change in the first post. I type so fast with two fingers that I get ahead of my self LOL LOL ..GEORGE
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That's funny. My husband types with 2 fingers too.....
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Ok. Let me see if I've got this now...........cause I didn't think about it.......If you use a RED cock from a sex linked mating (Blue cock x Red hen) and he's mated to a RED hen, then any BLUE babies will ALWAYS be hens (if there's no hanky panky).........So actually, ANY blue babies you get from two RED birds (cock and hen) should be hens. Is that right?
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