Odd Babies - Is there a name for these colors?

[george simon]

Originally Posted by MaryOfExeter

Alright, here's what I've got.
It's obvious the bird is a dirty blue bar. He/she also has sooty, which gives it the false check appearance. Also has a lot of bronze, which you can see really good in the bars, but you said it's also on the neck.
The wing shields look funny, but I think it might just be a trick. A lot of my dirty birds, their wings aren't really that dark. Maybe the bronze is adding to the look and the little 'checks' just make it contrast a lot more?

Hi Becky, There seems to be alot going on in this bird.I believe that there at least 3 or 4 MODIFIERS at work in this bird. I see Grizzle in the flight feathers,in the tail I see SPREAD, I also see INDIGO and or BRONZE in the wing shield. There are many genes in the pigeon population which are classified as modifiers. A modifier is any gene that alters the visible phenotype effects of other genes.Modifiers have the effect of enhancing or suppressing some genes.So what I think may be happening here is like a fight to take over and none are a clear cut winner But I must admit that I am still GEORGE

[LokotaLoft]

nice looking youngings there , Im sure they will look alot different once they moult thou so hope to see them then too

[jbangelfish]

Originally Posted by Msfreebird

Bumping this up
Still trying to find out color of first bird



Here is another picture of him/her standing-



And I don't know if it means anything, but this is the nest mate -



There is no brown/red on its nest mate, mom or dad.

The dark one with all the bronze is just a blue check with alot of bronze. This can come from indigo as well as many other sources, such as being split for recessive red. Opal might be a possibility as well. Mom looks as though she could be spread indigo but hard to say from the frontal photo. The baby is not spread, tail bar is plainly visible and the wings are checked. Darkeners are likely present, like dirty and or sooty. Are the feet black or dark colored?

If dad is blue check and mom is either t check or spread, both parents must be split for bar as the second youngster is blue bar. It also looks to show bronze in the bar. I don't know if these are indigo or just blues with bronze from something else. It would be good to see side pics of mom and dad to maybe shed more light on what is there.

There also looks to be pied and or grizzle factors involved in the young. This is coming from somewhere and I don't see it in mom. There are recessive pieds that can show up and undergrizzles can also show up this way but not typical grizzle. The youngster behind mom looks to be from a grizzle bird.

Bill

[santhosh_pigeons]

most birds dont change color after molt ....and for the ones who do ....you will get the original color only after the second molt........the results can be unbelivable......in most cases the birds acquire a grizzle on the feathers.....you will not find any changes in the tail....... if you do i think its not normal........ i had a friend who used to breed for color......seen some amazing transformations in his birds..........

[Msfreebird]

Thank you for the input
I really like the color of the first one too, and I'm keeping a close eye on him for changes.
It's very difficult to see in the pictures - side and front view of the head and back of the neck looks to be (dirty?) blue, but rear view it has a dark brownish/red hew. If you look between my thumbs in the picture you can see it. But you can't see it in the picture of him standing sideways. (standing picture does not do him justice - the flash washed out the colors)
I'll post new pictures soon.