The grey ringneck dove (mutation)

[Henk69]

Hi,

I saw this color of ringneck dove on a market las Sunday:



The dutch call it grijs (gray, grey) or blauw (blue).

The mutation is not covered in the genetic calculator.
http://doves.gencalc.com/gen/eng_genc.php?sp=0Ring

So how does is it inherit: Dominant, recessive, sexlinked?
And how does it combine with other mutations eg with tangerine?

Thanks in advance

[Henk69]

Never mind. I found the digital book by Hein van Grouw
http://library.wur.nl/ebooks/1888407.pdf

[Libis]

That's a really gorgeous color.

[MaryOfExeter]

Beautiful! Is that silver ivory (ivory, frosty, wild)? Or Frosty?

[Henk69]

Originally Posted by MaryOfExeter

Beautiful! Is that silver ivory (ivory, frosty, wild)? Or Frosty?

It is not common in the US. It may be an allele of the Frosty gene.

[horseart4u]

looks like the wild ringnecks we have around here...

[Libis]

Originally Posted by horseart4u

looks like the wild ringnecks we have around here...

There are no wild ringnecks.

The ferals that look like ringnecks are actually Eurasian collared doves. They are slightly larger, and make a different call. In particular, they scream rather than laughing.

Ringnecks don't have the instincts anymore to become feral.

http://www.diamonddove.info/bird11e%...red%20Dove.htm

It should be noted that there has been Eurasian collared dove mixed into some strains of ringnecks in the US in the hope to make them stronger/healthier/smarter. So sometimes you will find a peculiar bird somewhere between the two species.

[Print Tippler]

Eurasian collard doves are larger, but i dont know about sound, they sounded the same to me when i had my pet ring necks, and had wild eurasians outside. The color was pretty much if not exactly the same from my pets compared to the wild, huge size difference. Eurasian collard doves are the size of a pigeon, or at least my tipplers. They are more pale, not this nice looking grey.

[Libis]

Originally Posted by Print Tippler

Eurasian collard doves are larger, but i dont know about sound, they sounded the same to me when i had my pet ring necks, and had wild eurasians outside. The color was pretty much if not exactly the same from my pets compared to the wild, huge size difference. Eurasian collard doves are the size of a pigeon, or at least my tipplers. They are more pale, not this nice looking grey.

If I remember correctly, the coos are very similar, though of a slightly different rhythm. The ringneck emphasizes the final note in his three beats, while the Eurasian emphasises the middle note. So coo cruuu ROOOO from a ringneck, and coo COOOO coo from a Eurasian. And the ringneck has a more "trilling" voice.

The defining sound difference is between the scream and the laugh. Ringnecks laugh territorially or when playing with their mate or just because. Eurasian collared doves scream. Neither sound is the same as a coo.

[Print Tippler]

Yeah i dont know, the collard doves i had around definitely laughed. I can remember if there laugh was different than the ringnecks

[Libis]

Originally Posted by Print Tippler

Yeah i dont know, the collard doves i had around definitely laughed. I can remember if there laugh was different than the ringnecks

Hope they're mixes and not pure ringneck.
There are supposedly getting to be more and more mixes bred that people think are "ok" for cheap wedding release etc. since the Eurasians can survive as ferals. (Though I doubt that white ones could...) I've also heard of Eurasians being bred into fawn or wild type ringnecks to theoretically strengthen the line. Maybe some mixes got loose or a few lucky ringnecks found Eurasian buddies? Supposedly the mixes are capable of any of their ancestors' calls.

[Libis]

Here's a good reference with physical differences:

http://www.internationaldovesociety....ECDCompare.htm

[Print Tippler]

What? I had pure ring necks to the best of my knowledge, they were in a loft outside. We were also feeding the wild doves, which were mostly mournings, grounds and white wings. Only had a few eurasians come around. Like you said I guess they were territorial. They were large birds. Pigeon size but when they flew onto a telephone pole they would laugh like my ringnecks. Maybe they were mixed. The person I gave mine to had one he said was wild and was definitely a ringneck. Maybe they can make it out here. I sen a pet store selling either mixes or straight eurasians. It wouldn't surprise me if they were eurasians because you could sell them birds so maybe people trap and sell them. That place was loaded with birds and a small variety of pigeons. Disease infected probably, very poor conditions.

[Libis]

Hey, I was looking for more info, and this says that not only are there feral Eurasians in the US, but also feral African Collared doves (most of what the ringneck is thought to be a domesticated form of.)

http://www.birds.cornell.edu/pfw/Abo...ovRitdovID.htm

So maybe you saw African Collared doves and not Eurasian collared doves?

[Libis]

Originally Posted by Print Tippler

What? I had pure ring necks to the best of my knowledge, they were in a loft outside. We were also feeding the wild doves, which were mostly mournings, grounds and white wings. Only had a few eurasians come around. Like you said I guess they were territorial. They were large birds. Pigeon size but when they flew onto a telephone pole they would laugh like my ringnecks. Maybe they were mixed. The person I gave mine to had one he said was wild and was definitely a ringneck. Maybe they can make it out here. I sen a pet store selling either mixes or straight eurasians. It wouldn't surprise me if they were eurasians because you could sell them birds so maybe people trap and sell them. That place was loaded with birds and a small variety of pigeons. Disease infected probably, very poor conditions.

I didn't mean your pet doves are mixes. I meant maybe you saw some feral hybrids. Thus the laughing like a ringneck.

And also that if pure ringnecks were loose, it would be bad for them, as they are too domesticated to survive well.