Umm.... Grizzle? Red Grizzle?

[Matt D.]

Okay I have a question. This birds mom looks similar to this but is more white and looks far more like your standard racing grizzle. Her dad is a DC Beakert Cock, that is 14 years old. Here are some pictures, Tell me what you think. I have looked into almost everything on the internet and Have looked back into this birds family tree and nothing out of the ordinary but grizzles on its mom's side.

[jbangelfish]

Or tort for short. There is certainly bronze present. I believe that these birds are made up of T pattern blue, bronze and grizzle. There could be more to this one but maybe not, just a light tort. Very pretty bird. The blue on the bird looks very dark, nearly indigo but the tail bar looks like a blue. Darkening can come from several factors, dirty, smoky and sooty to name a few.

Bill

[Lovebirds]

PRETTY!!!!
Are you going to fly this bird?

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by Lovebirds

PRETTY!!!!
Are you going to fly this bird?

Yes, Why else would I have it???? I've never seen Tort on anything other than a roller. If it falls in line with its gene pool it will molt out all the blue and end up with a white head and tail...

[LokotaLoft]

thats an awesome looking bird that you have there but do you have any better side shots , Im very partial to the grizzles

[David Ey]

Man, I like that bird. I send you my address and you can send her to me.

[jbangelfish]

Originally Posted by Matt D.

Yes, Why else would I have it???? I've never seen Tort on anything other than a roller. If it falls in line with its gene pool it will molt out all the blue and end up with a white head and tail...

But I don't see this one moulting all of the blue away. I've had very similar birds in my rollers and it's one of those that you wish would stay with it's baby plumage. Some of them will keep much of this color, some will get alot more white and are usually stork marks (homozygous grizzles).

Anyway, there is no reason not to see this in homers, you just need the right genes to come together. Do you have bronze or indigo in your birds? I think the homer people call indigo chocolate.

Bill

[little bird]

Matt, that is a beautiful bird. Your birds always look ''fit as a fiddle''.

[Matt D.]

Well good news. This bird took the first race for me today. I had second which was 3 seconds from my bird then third was another 2 away (that's a total of 5 seconds behind this bird.) It was a 900ypm race and 3rd had 5 and a half miles on me. So this bird was hot. This is the second slow race we've had like that. I can't even figure out why the short end (me) is not only in the race but actually ahead. I'm not gonna change a thing.

[TAWhatley]

Congratulations to you and your birds, Matt! Well done!

Terry

[fastpitch dad]

very nice looking bird and congrats on the race

[Msfreebird]

Beautiful bird! I love that color - and congratulations!

[Matt D.]

Okay I've really been wondering about this bird a little bit more. I took a few more pictures now that it is done with its Young Bird Molt. It dropped alot of the blue out of the chest to become white feathers. All the tail feathers are still blue. http://picasaweb.google.com/thecrazy...98211793206210 What I can't figure out is why this bird doesn't seem to have any bars. Can anyone help me on this? Here is a picture from the other side its not such a great picture http://picasaweb.google.com/thecrazy...98157051888946

[jbangelfish]

Also known as velvets, they are a very dark check and probably what this bird is. Some call them blue blacks, black check and probably some other nicknames. Technically, the bars are still there but lost in the T pattern, similar to check only darker yet.

Bill

[Matt D.]

Originally Posted by jbangelfish

Also known as velvets, they are a very dark check and probably what this bird is. Some call them blue blacks, black check and probably some other nicknames. Technically, the bars are still there but lost in the T pattern, similar to check only darker yet.

Bill

Okay, But... Dad's a BC and mom is genetically a BB. She has the same thing going as this bird does along with a few of its siblings. I know mom's a BB because both its parents were BB, and there is not barless in this family. So If I'm right that would make it impossible for these birds to be T-pattern. Thanks for you reply.