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Baby Woodie. Bad Injury To Beak!HI,
Just brought back a baby, probably about 10 days old. It had been left in an aviary with three adults, but is certainly not able to self feed. Only noticed when I got it home that it has a very bad injury right at the top of it's beak. Possibly been bitten as it has lost the skin at each side of the mouth. When I opened it's beak to look inside it looks like the wound has gone right through to the mouth on one side. I've bathed it with Hypercal solution, it's very bloody and sore. Given it Aconite and Hypericum. The trouble is he's very hungry, had been in the aviary since last night apparently, so don't know when it last fed. It's nuzzling my hand and so I would usually feed Kaytee with syringe/ballon method, but I can't risk that as the wound is so open and would get clogged up. Would it be able to take defrosted peas at this age as I think the only way I can feed it with this wound is by popping food in if it will swallow these. They seem so large for such a little chap. Unfortunately I haven't tube fed which might have been preferable. I have Polyaid and could syringe this possibly if that would be better at this age. Janet 
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Might be best to rehydrate first. Have you got any antibiotics for that beak? I can get some to you by tomorrow if you need them
Poly Aid is an emergency food that has all the nutrition that a bird that can't or won't eat needs, but I don't think it would be suitable as a baby's only food. I think that peas and corn, crushed, would be OK, the parent bird would be feeding it real food at this age, soaked in the crop. This is the Wildcare recipe, crushed and mixed with water should form nice wet pellets that you could try: wild bird seed frozen peas finely chopped apple finely chopped peanuts finely chopped fat balls finely shredded greens wholemeal bread crumbs Or you could feed on day old wholemeal bread dipped in Original flavoured Complan, so he gets the fluids that he needs. BTW remember that at that age they like their food nice and warm: 39 degrees C. Cynthia
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Hi,
Yes forgot to say, I had rehydrated when I first came home. Photos of wound.    Will this heal over do you think?He's such a wriggler and as I try to open his beak, he squeals, must be sore but not easy to open his beak without touching the wound. I'll try for the bread so I can get some food in him this evening. I've just got three Noroclav left, just dated out in May. Would really appreciate if you can spare any Cynthia. Thanks Janet Last edited by amyable; 25th June 2009 at 09:48 AM.
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Hi Janet,
I am sure it will heal. You could try the "bent spoon" method of feeding. It involves bending the sides of a spoon upward, so that it looks like the lower bill of a pigeon. I have never tried it, but it worked for Diogenese, another woody rescuer. I lost track of time and didn't get in until after the post had gone, so will send you Noroclav or synulox tomorrow. The use by date just means that the meds might lose their effectiveness slightly after that date, but it isn't a sudden slump so they will be OK. Cynthia
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Hi,
I've dissolved half a 250gm tablet in 0.7ml of water and given 0.1ml as he's 150grms. I based this on a thread from July 2008 for a dove of similar weight. It said to give this twice a day. As you know I don't have a clue when it comes to calculating doses. Does that sound about right? He's breathing quite fast at the moment, so I've got him on heat and am giving Aconite as he's probably getting a bit stressed as it seems to hurt him when I feed him. I will give the spoon a go as it's impossible to open his beak without touching the wound on the side. Looking at it again, there is a hole or puncture wound that goes right through the top of the beak into his mouth. Thanks for the help. Janet
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Is that really 0.7 ml or did you mean 7ml?
If 0.7 ml and you gave him 0.1 ml that is 35 gms. He only needs 18gms (12.5 mg per 100 gms) , but it is quite usual to double up on the first dose. Poor baby, it is hard to guess what damage the puncture did, I haven't got the knowledge of anatomy. Cynthia
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Sorry, I was doing a feeding round, got four on the go at the moment.
Well this thread I took it from debated about the dose, and so Pidgey calculated it in the end, that's why I thought it must be right. Originally it was 7ml, and the dove was supposed to get 1ml each dose, but Pidgey was asked to re-calculate to give less water to make it easier to administer. So he then came back to mix 0.7ml and to give 0.1ml twice a day. I'll go back and check it. I've never given it diluted in water before, but as it's a baby I thought it might be better as it would be difficult to break the tablet into small enough sections. Oh for a brain !  Janet
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Hi again,
Well I just went back over the thread and that's what it said. It was originally taken from Nooti's chart but then Pidgey went over the calculations, and came back with 0.7ml of water, giving 0.1ml twice a day for a 155grm dove. Ok I'll reduce it tomorrow. Janet ps. I've just thought, I'm only mixing half a tablet (125grms of the meds) in 0.7mls, so is that ok? was your calculation based on the whole tablet? If so, that would make it pretty well what you said......... I think, I hope. Poor bird relying on my brain, not good!! Last edited by amyable; 25th June 2009 at 03:40 PM.
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Oh, for a brain!
Yes, I missed reading the word "half". I sometimes think I suffer from that form of dementia where things disappear and then pop up again. So yes, the 0.1 ml is right. I am so sorry. I actually wondered why you hadn't used half a tablet and then thought "Ah, yes..she did. The tablet is 500mg! Cynthia
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I'm glad that's ok, thanks for letting me know.
Janet
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Hi,
I'm wondering if the problem inside his mouth might possibly be canker. It's larger today and yellow in colour but hangs from the roof of his mouth. I've only ever seen canker in the throat, could it also be located here? I really can't tell but I've just given him half a Spartrix in case, should I still give the whole tablet to a baby this size? Am managing to feed him Kaytee directly 1ml at a time, so I avoid getting food in the wound on his face, and also some skinned peas, half at a time. Seems ok with this as he has put some weight on and is much perkier and responsive. Janet
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It could be respiratory exudate or pus due to the puncture wound, but giving Spartrix won't hurt him.
As he is only 150 gms you can use half a tablet, but there is a wide safety margin so a whole tablet won't harm him. Cynthia
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Hi Jayne,
You're right, the Noroclav are 50 gms. I have had some Synulox for my dog before that were 250gms, so I got confused. it doesn't take much for me to get confused when it comes to figures, not my strong point. I actually admitted to Cynthia in a pm that I had got it wrong, and we re-calculated it, trust you to spot my 'deliberate' mistake !!!!!  Just checking you were awake.  Janet
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Hi Janet, you can turn the Kaytee in small dough balls with water and handle them in different sizes.
Also I reed once about Pox, I heard baby pigeons have it. Might not be that by the look of the pictures but maybe worth searching into it.
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