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Old 12th April 2005, 09:09 AM
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Instruction book on killing/maiming pigeons


I was horrified to discover at the Barnes & Noble Bookstore yesterday a new book titled "Canceled Flight: 101 Tried and True Pigeon Killin' Methods" by A.V. Jones, published by Throckmorton Press (an East Village publisher in New York City: www.throckmortonpress.com). The book is found in the humor section, but there is nothing at all humorous here. The book details countless horrific ways to torture, maim and kill birds; in particular, pigeons. The instructions are accompanied by photos and sketches. Most alarming of all is that any child could do any of these heinous things to a bird or any other small unfortunate animal. What I find most disturbing is that the author is targeting feral pigeons and appears to enjoy inflicting maximum pain and suffering on these innocent birds. He may have personally applied every one of these methods to torture a pigeon.

I actually purchased a copy of this garbage for $25 just to be prepared to quote from it in reporting this to animal rights organizations.

We must unite in protesting the sale of this torture manual. Contact your local booksellers and demand that they not stock this book. Write or E-mail the publisher in protest. Throckmorton Press, 200 East 10th Street, #338, New York, NY 10003, Telephone Number: (646) 246-4096. Contact your animal rights organizations.
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Old 12th April 2005, 09:19 AM
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Hi Dovena,

Welcome to Pigeontalk! Sad that you had to make your first post about something so HORRIFIC. I can't believe that this type of book has been published myself. Who would endorse such a thing!?! Your link didn't work but I found this one:

http://www.powerhousebooks.com/throc...ledflight.html

Disgusting, abhorrent, and despicable!
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Old 12th April 2005, 09:50 AM
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The trouble is that I know this is supposed to be funny, but it's not. The jokes don't work. He'll never make it as a comedian. Anyone who buys this is wasting his money. It's just not funny.

The other problem is if a kid gets this book and tries to do any of the things mentioned in it. Kids will try anything.

Unfortunately it appears this man has written before about pigeons and hurting them. Maybe he was molested as a child himself. After all, it is well-known that people who hurt animals or even dream up such ideas, usually were molested themselves.

He's just advertising to the world that he probably was molested and needs help.

I know of a kid around my neighborhood who would kill frogs and maim them and it turned out that this kid was molested. Everybody thought it was a joke or "a kid's thing" when he was doing it but they later found out why. He's a mess. If we had taken those signs when he was hurting those frogs, we might've put an end to his abuse. The signs were there, we just weren't interpreting them correctly.

I think someone needs to intervene and help this author with his past abuse.
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Old 12th April 2005, 11:13 AM
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Thumbs down

This link is to the specific book's website

http://www.canceledflight.com/

Thumbs down for sure, Al
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Old 12th April 2005, 11:33 AM
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Wouldn't something which describes these acts, or is encouraging/teaching/inciting them, be of interest to the ASPCA or Humane Society, or even the law in regard to animal cruelty?

Whether the author needs help or not is just conjecture - and help is there if people ask for it.

My primary concern is that there appears to be some sicko out there who needs investigating!

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Old 12th April 2005, 01:04 PM
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Welcome to Pigeon~Talk Dovena.Thank you for bringing this to to everyones attention. Indeed this garbage is not humorous but absolutely disgusting. The author may have had some issues in his life as someone else has suggested but did everyone see the names of all the contributors that helped make this text rubbish possible? I am a customer of B & N Bookstores and am on their e-mail list ,and they will hear from me as well as the publishing company. I don't know if it will have any kind of impact but we need to at least make our voices be heard.This is wrong absolutely WRONG!
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Old 12th April 2005, 01:27 PM
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putp is a group that views hurting pigeons as a hobby!sick!!!!!!!!they should open up a new section called mentally ill authors and put the book there!
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Old 12th April 2005, 07:13 PM
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Hi Everyone,

Aside from the fact that there could be some concern that some cruel idiots might get some bad ideas from reading such a book ( and I use the term "reading' lightly...anyone who would actually consider trying some of the methods would probably only have the mental capacity to figure out the methods by looking at the pictures)...I get the feeling that this book is just a poor attempt at "humor."
The author is a nobody--I googled his name and there is nothing attached to it except this book--I'm pretty sure all the info in "about the author" is made up (including PUTP, People for the Unethical Treatment of Pigeons) --another lame attempt at humor. Also, the long list of contributors are also a bunch of "nobody" illustrators that no one has ever heard of, probably artists so desperate for publication and notoriety that they'll contribute to any piece of crap, for a professional credit.
While complaints to the publisher, etc. wouldn't hurt, I doubt anything as lame as this will become a bestseller...it will probably die it's own quick death of terminal bad taste.

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Old 12th April 2005, 07:26 PM
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You know, you're absolutely right. All of this could just be made up - to not only make it off as lame humor but to also hype the book. The more people who write in making complaints about the book, the more publicity it gets. And anyone knows bad publicity is better than no publicity.

I personally do not want to draw attention to the book by writing to anyone because I feel that will only add to the hype of it. I really don't believe it will make it to the bestseller list unless a lot of people draw attention to it.

I say just ignore it - throw it in the rubbish bin.
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Old 12th April 2005, 08:45 PM
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Just looking at those pics made me sick and mad. They do the same thing with kittens. They stick them in jars and they take the shape of the jars. Sickning.





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Old 12th April 2005, 09:06 PM
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Just looking at those pics made me sick and mad. They do the same thing with kittens. They stick them in jars and they take the shape of the jars. Sickning.
Taylor, the Bonsai Kittens you are posting about have long been proven to be a hoax .. just something to get us critter friendly people upset about ..

http://www.animalsvoice.com/PAGES/news/bonsai.html

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Old 12th April 2005, 09:42 PM
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What's there to say about someone willing to invest this kind of one's personal
time in such a way? Be he idiot, sick humorist, unfortunate childhood or mentally ill, the pigeon population has enuf problems without this....

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Old 13th April 2005, 02:08 AM
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Ugh. Absolutely disgusting. Those pictures and drawings seriously make me ill. Humans can be so horrible. I think it is just stupid humor, but nonetheless in horrendously poor taste.

I feel very torn as to whether I should get furious and write a million letters or, as suggested before, say nothing so as not to give them positive press. Bonsai kittens are an ironic comparison--a poor-taste joke that wouldn't have even made the radar except that it caught the eye of animal rights. But still, it would be hard to just let them 'get away with this'.

Sick...
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Old 13th April 2005, 05:31 AM
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hmmm, write the letters I think

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Old 13th April 2005, 12:25 PM
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i will give em a call
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