Nasty people :p

[Ground Zero]

http://www.bokhari.com/

can i hack it?

[birdlover000]

IT says:

Our Mission
Helping individuals, families, and communities put
research based knowledge to work towards
improving the quality of their lives.

What, that is not a mission?!?

WHAT!!

Our Prices
Live Squabs

OUR
Special
LIVE SQUAB SALE $60/Dozen*(1)
* Farm-gate Price @ BOKHARI SQUAB FARMS
(1) Shipping, handling & postage Extra


Breeding Stocks

Item Age Price/Bird
Squabs days $12.50 Young adults 11-16 weeks $ 25.00
Unmated pairs 17-24 weeks $ 37.50

Prices are subject to change without notice.
Cost of shipping boxes and postage is extra and may run

something like $12.50 per bird.
Full payment with order is required.
Shipments are subject to:

Acceptance by USPS for Express Mail delivery.
Temperatures (above 45 or below 85 degree F).
Availability of stocks in hand.
Orders are filled on "first come, first served" basis.
All birds are held in isolation for thirty days for biosecurity &

health check prior to shipment.
Allow 8-12 weeks lead time to ship your orders.

Back to TOC

**They couldn't survive then?? They can't do that, what can't we stop them?!?!? The poor things!!!



ERR!!!

[cyro51]

As Linda McCartney used to say " How can they!?"

There are good people and bad people in this world. The bad people exploit whatever is innocent and vulnerable.

Cynthia

[birdlover000]

http://www.petitiononline.com/jun2291/petition.html

This is a petition againist the Farming of Squabs....please sign....

Thanks

[xavior]

My apartment manager just told me to stop feeding the birds! Gawd, I loathe this man. I took the birdfeeder down for a while because the grackles started attacking and killing the sparrows (another site said that's the way to get the grackles to relocate). I still threw out seeds twice a day but since it wasn't on schedule all the birds, except for the grackles, figured-out what I was doing so they still got some food.. until NOW! I got permission to put a birdfeeder out there three years ago, when I moved in here.. but now he says there are too many pigeons and says that they're a health hazard. The jerk just happened to come by after I had put out fresh bowls of water and that's when I get a large gathering of pigeons because I think it's the only place around for them to drink and bath and sunbath (I love it when they're all out there, nesting in the grass and fluttering their wings in the water). He was disgusted with all the pigeons. I think I pieced my tongue when I had to bite it to keep from telling him how much he disgusts me!

I've got a pair of bluejays feeding their three kids in the morning and a mother cardinal feeding her young one in the evening. During the day the sparrows and pigeons are the majority of visitors, I admit, but many of my fellow tenants like the birds (and their cats love to watch from the windows). I told him I needed a month to wean them off the feeding but he says they'll manage with what they find in the dumpsters. "Ah, dude, your stupidity is showing!!" I'm going to have to stay inside because the pigeons know me well and they surround me whenever I come out to the yard. I'm heartbroken. I figure I'll find a way to toss some seeds out there from time to time.. (from my apartment window, maybe, ? so I won't be seen on the surveillance cameras) ..at least for a while. I hope they can all find a safe haven elsewhere. I'm so sad and I'm so mad

[Trees Gray]

Hi Xavior,

I'm sorry you can't feed the birds anymore. It is hard to deal with people that don't share our interests, but you have to be careful if you live in an apt. complex. You have to deal with other peoples opinions and rights, even if it is not fair. For the safety of the pigeons it would be good if you could find a location to feed them that is pigeon friendly, an area where you don't see many people so you could continue your hobby.

I have a birdfeeder in my yard and a coop pf pigeons, so I can relate.

Treesa

[Yong]

I couldn't resist this reply...

I paid to much for my home...
I pay to much in taxes and association dues...
You'd think after all that being said and paid, I'd get to have a bird feeder.
NO. They (assh*lessociation) made me take it down a couple of weeks ago.

Nonetheless...I now have a tree thats is approved by the city and the association planted in my fromt yard, that just HAPPENS to have the same seed pods that they sell in the bird section of the pet store (take that jerks), and the seed makes it out onto the sidewalk before the condo commandos come around. My birds flock to me, but if I toss it out on the walk during my late night walk, all the pijs are asleep, and the jerls, and by morning, the table is already set. How did that food get there???

So Sunday, I bolstered my garden (where my feral stay during the day) and got it certified as a wildlife habitat. My next destination will be "Wings Over Florida" which can maybe certify me as well. TAKE THAT!!!

So...don't get mad, save the energy for creative ideas. Afterall, they can take away the birdfeeder, but can they really take away your desire to want to help your babies. You might get evicted with all this horseplay, and they might try to find ways of foreclosing on my home =), but keep your checks and balances, and you'll have a fun type of adventure ahead of you.

Thoughts...I sometimes wonder if I can train "my" flock to do a fly by, over the board of directors houses for a good dump run! There goes my Kharma, shoot.
Yong

[AZWhitefeather]

So Sunday, I bolstered my garden (where my feral stay during the day) and got it certified as a wildlife habitat. My next destination will be "Wings Over Florida" which can maybe certify me as well. TAKE THAT!!!
Way to go Yong!!

I love it when people stand up for what they feel is right.
Please keep us posted on any upcoming events.

Cindy

[xavior]

Thanks for joining me in sympathizing with the birds, who are the ones who are going to struggle with this more than me. I'm really going to miss their company. Since I've lived here, and fed the wildlife, for three years.. I believe there's more to this.. but I'd have to get into the politics and personal stuff going on around here to explain.. and that's not what this forum is about. I believe a lot of the tenants are going to be upset about this.. or else a lot of them have been lying through their teeth when they tell me how much they enjoy all the birds, squirrels, rabbits.. and what a dedicated person I am to tend to them. They've watched me go out there in the blizzards and clear snow and put out food. And I'm the one they come running to with the babies and the injured. One woman has a little feeder in the front of the building and she's not going to be happy about this. Whatever the reason, the outcome is still the same. I cut down the birdfeeder tonight.. and I brought in the water bowls. I still think I can get away with a little feeding, maybe a little watering at the end of the day, for a while (I told him I needed time to help them adjust and relocate..) but I think I'll just toss a little food out at night so they have it all eaten in the morning and then put some water out at the end of the day.. so they'll get a drink but won't stay for a day by the pool, if you know what I mean.
There is no place else I can go to feed them anywhere around here but the birdseed at the nearby discount store often gets wiped-out entirely by someone around here.. so someone is feeding them somewhere in the neighborhood. First, my wildlife rehab closes.. and now this. I guess I'm just going to have to take a hint. It's time to stop tending the wildlife..

I love what you're doing, Yong! An actual wildlife habitat - that's GREAT! You have the will and you found a way!! Definitely keep us posted on "Wings Over Florida." We have a couple of plots/planters and for two summers I tried planting things (like millet, oats, sunflowers, etc.) in the empty one.. in hopes that nature could feed the birds but, besides not having a green thumb, it's not in the best location for growing things - not a lot of sun.. and when it rains.. those planters turn into pools. I still think I'll do some research on native plants and see if there's anything that the birds could dine on that could survive in that location. Man, it's going to be a tough winter for them if I can't put any food out. I admit.. I've found myself hoping that there will be a karmic payback for those who brought this misfortune to these beautiful, innocent creatures. But, just one look at that property manager and I know that it must be hell to be him. Being a jerk is a tough path. And, if I can't feed the creatures anymore.. maybe he'll realize that, along with feeding the wildlife, I've been the one who's been picking up all the trash in the backyard.. and shoveling the sidewalk.. and I won't be doing that any more. TAKE THAT! Yeh, I'm cranky now! Grrrrrrrr. I've hated living in this place but I've stayed because I could feed the wildlife and watch over them from my apartment. Now that that's gone.. I'm as good as gone, too. It's time to relocate. It will be too heartbreaking watching them look for food when the snow starts falling.

[Christina Coughlin]

This is not necessary in the USA. It does not need to be happening, there are so many other ways to provide nutrition for your family BUT... People already do this with chickens, ducks, geese, what about Veal calves? What about rabbits and goats? Why aren't we mad about that, aren't they just as important?

If they were doing this for a very poor country to help feed people then I would not have any problem with this and I think that we would not even question it. But what about the others?

[Birdmom4ever]

I appreciate your frustration at being told not to feed the birds, but there may be a valid reason for it. We happily fed wild birds for years, and I'm sorry to say it caused several problems. One, it attracted Cooper's hawks to our yard in a big way. They learned to hunt at our feeders. But the worst thing was that we developed a terrible rat problem. They got into our garage and house. I appreciate wildlife, too, but I draw the line at being awakened at 4:00 a.m. by rats gnawing inside the walls! It cost quite a bit to have an exterminator come out and block all entrances to our home.

Rats and mice carry diseases and are a threat to our pigeons. They got into our old aviary a few years back and we think that's how our pigeons were infected with salmonella. They can't get into our loft, but we have seen them underneath it. I learned my lesson, took the feeders down, and now I make sure there is NO feed of any kind in the open in our yard. We still put out sugar water for the hummingbirds, but that's it. Unfortunately we can't do much about our neighbors, who distribute pounds of peanuts every day to the squirrels and crows.

So anyway, part of the rationale for a landlord or homeowner's association forbidding bird feeders may be to keep from attracting rodents. Remember that when you put out grain, you attract more than birds.

[Yong]

I do agree with what you are saying about the rats, however, unlike many homes in the USA, Florida homes are built from concrete poured and block /rebar construction (hurricane code), and no wood is used. All the interior studs are made from aluminum, most homes do not have insulation between studs, or in rafters, just above the garages for fire hazard reasons, there are no basements and very few attics, basically they are built to keep anything out that can't walk through the front door, and our association just plane hates me =) (long history with them)

When I lived in oregon, we would get mice all the time around the horses grain barrels, and they gnawed their way through everything! House, tack, clothes, you name it they ate it. I could hear them scurry through the walls at night.

I certainly considered the whole rat thing, so my sollution was, feed only what can be consumed at one feeding, in my nieghbors yard (just kidding about the neighbors yard part)

Your point is quite valid though and something to be considered. As fo me since I pay a rediculous amount in association dues, they can afford to fix whatever. Besides, they send an extermination company through here monthly. The pesticide guy happens to like the pigeons, so he always skips my house =) Xavior only you know what your housing area is like and what dangers may come that way by feeding the babes, but I'll be thinking of possible ideas for you.

Do go for the native plants, put drain holes in the pots, and just keep trying. BTW, Florida Fish and Wildlife does have a certificate that they can issue to qualifying yards. I downloaded my questionaire and application last night after my last letter. Good grief, I might as well give up my kid to them, but I'm going to do it anyway. The only reason I mention Florida certificates is because I know there are people who live here as well, plus maybe your state has something available. Long Winded...Yong

[xavior]

Originally Posted by Birdmom4ever

I appreciate your frustration at being told not to feed the birds, but there may be a valid reason for it. We happily fed wild birds for years, and I'm sorry to say it caused several problems. One, it attracted Cooper's hawks to our yard in a big way. They learned to hunt at our feeders. But the worst thing was that we developed a terrible rat problem. They got into our garage and house. I appreciate wildlife, too, but I draw the line at being awakened at 4:00 a.m. by rats gnawing inside the walls! It cost quite a bit to have an exterminator come out and block all entrances to our home.

Rats and mice carry diseases and are a threat to our pigeons. They got into our old aviary a few years back and we think that's how our pigeons were infected with salmonella. They can't get into our loft, but we have seen them underneath it. I learned my lesson, took the feeders down, and now I make sure there is NO feed of any kind in the open in our yard. We still put out sugar water for the hummingbirds, but that's it. Unfortunately we can't do much about our neighbors, who distribute pounds of peanuts every day to the squirrels and crows.

So anyway, part of the rationale for a landlord or homeowner's association forbidding bird feeders may be to keep from attracting rodents. Remember that when you put out grain, you attract more than birds.

______________

I appreciate what you're saying but it's not the case here. IF there were a rodent problem, which there isn't, the stray cats would tend to that. The birds do an excellent job of eating all there is to eat. And I did take the birdfeeder down when the grackles started their killing spree. And the falcons were doing a lot of hunting around here one summer.. but that's why they were introduced to the city - to keep the pigeon population down.. and get the falcons off the endangered species list.

I don't think this guy would have a problem if the only birds coming to feed were the bluejays and cardinals.. and maybe sparrows. He hates the pigeons..

[Birdmom4ever]

Wow--I wish our house had been built like the ones in FL. Point well taken about putting out only what the birds will eat that day, not leaving it overnight.

Homeowners' associations would drive me crazy. I could never live where there was one because they wouldn't even let us in, with all these birds. (We live in an older suburb.) I heard of someone here in CA who wound up selling their house and moving because their homeowners' association wouldn't let them park in their own driveway or on the street, only in the garage. When their teenager started driving they had no place for his car, so they sold the house and moved. Incredible.

[Yong]

Homeowners' associations would drive me crazy.

You have no idea. yuh! Yong