Another odd light Green Urate Pigeon

[pdpbison]

Hi all,


Maybe there is something going around with the wild/feral ones -


Anyway, I do not have any Baytril but I started him on Metronidazole and "Divet" ( Sulfadiazynum Trimethoprinium ) and ACV-Water...


Got him yesterday at dusk...have him set up on a Heating pad...he is making about no warmth for himself.


I tube fed him a light thin meal last night after I was satisfied he was decently hydrated ( he was drinking water and making wet poops/urates)

But he threw it up overnight, along with a dozen Peas he had eaten when among the ferals and their late afternoon grazings.

Pale Green Urates are similar to the one I had the other day.


Any thoughts?

Might call my Vet and leave a message for an appointment tomorrow for him...



Thanks!


Phil
Las Vegas

[Reti]

Poor baby, he looks so pittiful. Hope he makes it through the night.

Reti

[pdpbison]

Odd Eye condition also -


Poor little Bub...his right Eye seems to be filled with clear Liquid, no Pupil.

But rolling around in his Eye, are some several small light colored spheres, seen here settled on the bottom right.


His Eye also has an oddly similar pale 'Green' color or cast to it.

I applied some Antibiotic Eye Ointment initially, since his cornea or outer eye surface seemed to have had a film on it suggesting injury or mild infection...once the Ointment cleared these topical matters, one sees what is shown in the image.

New to me...and I do not know what to make of his symptoms.


Today, I gave him Metronidazole, 'Divet' and an 'Appertex' tablet ( for Coccidiosis, thinking it may help address whatever he has, even if he does not have Coccidiosis itself...)


Anyway, if anyone had encountered anything like this, let me know what sense you made of it? or regimen or success you had with it?

I have been keeping him covered with a cloth so the warmth would enclose him better.


He did not want to lay down of course, but I sort of gently urged him to do so, covering him and so on, and after a few tries he got it, and layed down, so, he has been nice and warm that way, laying down, on the covered Heating Pad, covered...and is not a fluff-ball as he was when I made the image much earlier.


I did not feed him any chow today, even though I started to several times...worried he would throw it up...now I feel bad, and will feed him a very thin meal and keep my fingers crossed.


Keep yours crossed too...

Thanks...



Phil
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[pdpbison]

Ooops...forgot the image -

As you can see,while appearing somewhat 'cloudy, ( though it IS pale "green' ) in the image ( less cloudy looking in actual life ) there are four distinct various size light colored 'spheres' rolling around in his otherwise empty Eye...these 'spheres' are seen toward the right lower corner of his Eye.


Anyway, he has been standing off and on, and I get him to lay down again and cover him again, so he will be warmer.


We did a little Chow-Time and he has a thin nutritious easily digested liquid Meal in his otherwise empty Crop now...I used the famous ACV-Water for mixing his formula...hopeing it will help with whatever his issues are.

He is about as comfortable as possible I'd say...he really liked seeing the other Birds in here yesterday and instantly then was more interested in them, than that I was holding him even..!


I sure hope todays meds do something for him...he is definitely feeling very poorly.



Phil
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[Pidgey]

Sounds like a bad Paratyphoid with a possible panophthalmia or iridocyclitis. That's usually indicative of a high-dose infection and we fortunately don't see that very much here. There's a picture of what it may come to look like on this post:

http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/showpo...53&postcount=9

...if the bird makes it.

Pidgey

[Pidgey]

That's definately heading towards the color of urates that I was trying to describe earlier, though. Get Baytril started as soon as you can. Good luck with that one.

Pidgey

[Birdmom4ever]

Oh Phil, that poor bird.

[Margarret]

Phil,

I've never seen urates that color. That poor little guy looks super ill. I sure hope he makes it. Just getting warm must feel wonderful to him. I'm glad you got him to lay down to conserve what little energy he has. Hope you got him in time.

Margaret

[TAWhatley]

What a sad case, Phil .. good luck with this one. I sure hope you can pull him through.

Terry

[pdpbison]

Thanks everyone,



Well, shoot...

He passed away since I went to bed around 6:00 A.M.



This one DID concern me, as far as that it felt like someting nasty and possibly contageous, so I tried to be extra careful in how I did and handled things.



I ran out of Baytril some time ago, kept meaning to order more...kept forgetting to do it.

I will order more today...right now in fact, before I finish tis post -

Okay, I just tried, and I think I remember why I had not gotten any...no one has it.

I just tried Jedds, Global, Seigels...I will try Foys...

'Foys' lists it, but no longer carries it, so I just now called them and the word is that no one is ever going to carry it again, and slowly, no one is going to be carrying much of anything as time goes by, because the federal government is leaning on them hard, and is going to lean on them even harder.


http://www.foyspigeonsupplies.com/ca...x.html#Baytril
Is were they list it...but none in stock.

Anyway...

The previous 'pale Green Urate' one a few days ago showed no problems with his Eyes, and was never 'fluffy'.


Of course the same illness or bacteria can make for differing versions of it's works.


"Baytril"...

I will start a little trad about were to get it, in case anyone knows were it can ge got.

I wanted to get some injectable, and, some Pills or Water added kind.




Cipro, I tink I have some, and or I can maybe get some from my Vet.





The strange thing about his Eye, is that it was quite clear enoug to see into, and appeared to be empty, having no Iris at all...but having those several tiny 'spheres' which literally rolled around as I handled him and as he moved is Head.


Oh boy...poor little Bug...


At least he got to be warm anyway, and he liked that.


Talking to Jedds, I sort of put them at ease and we conversed a while...it sent a chill down my spine, how many things they are forbidden by the government TO say or be able to say...and how very stressed they sounded about what is happenning.


Things are getting very scarey...


Thanks...


Phil
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[Birdmom4ever]

I'm so sorry he didn't make it, Phil, although from the photo I can't say I'm surprised. At least you gave him some comfort before he passed. Poor little pigeon.

I haven't been able to get Baytril for awhile either. A few months ago I got a generic, Enroflaxan, from one of the pigeon supply houses. I can't remember now which one I got it from and I don't know if they still carry it. But it seemed to be as effective as Baytril on Rosie's egg-related mass. The feds do seem to be making it harder to get meds. That's especially bad for those who don't have access to a good avian vet.

[Maggie-NC]

Phil, I'm really sorry but, sad to say, expected to hear this. From his picture he was just too sick to pull through, no matter what kind of medicine you gave him.

Is there any way you could have a necropsy done? It could benefit all of us to know what was going on with this pigeon.

Also, I'm not surprised at the crackdown on meds. You know, something like this came up a year or so ago and I was really afraid the supply houses would have to stop sending meds but then that kinda died away until now. Maybe we should stock up as much as we can.

[Pidgey]

Sorry you lost him, Phil, but I didn't think he had a chance when I saw the pictures. That wouldn't mean that any of us wouldn't try, though.

For 10% liquid Baytril, try this one:

http://www.vitakingproducts.com/storefronta.htm

It's called "Enrofloxan" on their list.

Pidgey

[pdpbison]

Thanks Pidgey...

I will Order some tomorrow.


Thanks every for your kind mentions.


Well, Lord knows I have seen worse, much worse ones hold on and pull through...and with the right meds, who knows, he might have managed.


Hmmmmm...

I will see about a Necropsy...

I will refrigerate him now.

Sure be nice to know what the heck this was in case I or we see it's likes again...for sure...



Phil
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[Reti]

I am so sorry Phil. He seemed very sick and too late to be helped. Poor, poor baby.

Reti