Baby Attacked BADLY!! Best Wound Cleaner??

[spirit wings]

I would say baytril, according to his weight and nolvason solution diluted, to clean the wounds, carefully of course. I do not think it can be sutured, too delicate.

[moonshadow13]

I had unexpected company.....that's why it took me so long. Sorry.

Yup and here I was thinking "How dare she have a life OTHER than answering my questions on PT"

I really think this baby needs to be seen by a Vet. I don't see this type of wound closing on it's own without some professional intervention.

Poor baby..........do you have any idea how this happened???

No offense BUT......I used to get injuries worse than that falling off my bike as a kid, I mean some pretty good chunks of skin and flesh out of my forearms (probably should have kept the training wheels longer) LOL! Even though they looked pretty nasty they never warranted a visit to the E.R.
Anyway, I just wanted to spare him/her some of the pain MY Mom put me through cleaning out those wounds! I don't remember what she used to use but BOY OH BOY by the time she was done I forgot ALL about actually falling off the bike.
I also just like to double check it's safe before using medicines,antiseptics etc. intended for humans before using them on animals, especially on something so small.

As for how it happened.....?? Well.......maybe someone can learn from my mistake. Even though I built more than enough nice, big nest boxes for these guys I had a few pairs that just INSISTED on nesting on the floor. I threw out their first sets of eggs, I would put things in the way to discourage them from trying again but they would just build their next nest right nest to whatever I put there. So I caved and put a milkcrate with a door cut into one side over the top of the nest. It seemed to work great and up till the other night nobody had any problems with intruders but all it takes is once and this was the unlucky victim!! I have my suspicions as to who the guilty party might be but I couldn't find anyone with a bloody beak in the line up so....

OK so I used some warm Saline to clean it a little while ago and the yellow looking stuff will just come off BUT... I didn't know if I should keep trying to get it off if it is a scab trying to form??
Also any ideas how I can keep a bandage on him? It is definately not the easiest spot as it just slides backwards and off his butt. I didn't want to do it diaper like cause I am trying to keep poop out of it, not hold it in next to the wound. The only other thing I can think of is kinda making straps like a backpack? LOL!! Though I doubt I could pull it off because he is just sooo, sooo squirmy! It is definately a lively little baby with a healthy appetite!!

[moonshadow13]

Originally Posted by spirit wings

I would say baytril, according to his weight and nolvason solution diluted, to clean the wounds, carefully of course. I do not think it can be sutured, too delicate.

I have checked with Foy's and they said they can't get Baytril anymore. I do have a liquid 25mg Clindamycin it says on the bottle that it is used for wounds do you have any idea what the dosage is for a baby so small 165 gr?

[Forest]

Originally Posted by lwerden

Looks like the skin is completely gone to me also. The Vet would not actually suture it together but place a patch of this stuff (I don't know what is is called) over the wound and it forms a layer of somthing similar to skin and allows the skin to regrow beneath it.

I don't know whether this would be apropos, but I have used a sort of soft, sheet gel for covering burns, etc., from the drug store first aid section. It was was perhaps a couple of millimeters thick, and more or less transparent. Seemed to be non-sticky, moisture retaining, and very gentle. I forget the name, but a pharmacist should know. I was using it on humans, however.
I don't know how one would get it to stay in place in a case like this. Or, if one should...

I also use the sterile saline wound wash.

Hoping the baby is improving apace.

[moonshadow13]

Originally Posted by Forest

I don't know whether this would be apropos, but I have used a sort of soft, sheet gel for covering burns, etc., from the drug store first aid section. It was was perhaps a couple of millimeters thick, and more or less transparent. Seemed to be non-sticky, moisture retaining, and very gentle. I forget the name, but a pharmacist should know. I was using it on humans, however.
I don't know how one would get it to stay in place in a case like this. Or, if one should...

I also use the sterile saline wound wash.

Hoping the baby is improving apace.

I was actually going back and forth as to whether I SHOULD be keeping it covered. My main reason for keeping it covered was just to make sure no poop got in the wound. Since you mentioned burns, being a former chef I used to get burned ALOT and I did always try to let them heal uncovered as soon as was safe.

[maryjane]

Poor guy, I have had a couple of them pecked as badly as this before over the years and with Neosporin and quiet and warmth, they did fine. I'm not saying don't see a vet, or don't do antibiotics, I'm just saying that from personal experience and with diligent care, they can heal. I hope he does well! I found with one who had a wound on his back and used the cut-off elasticy end of a sock to help keep it clean. It was just elastic enough to stay on without being tight at all. He managed to slip out of it now and then but for the most part it stayed on.

[Reti]

Try to get silvadene from the drug store, most drug stores carry it now. It heals wounds much faster and better than neosporin.

Reti

[spirit wings]

Originally Posted by maryjane

Poor guy, I have had a couple of them pecked as badly as this before over the years and with Neosporin and quiet and warmth, they did fine. I'm not saying don't see a vet, or don't do antibiotics, I'm just saying that from personal experience and with diligent care, they can heal. I hope he does well! I found with one who had a wound on his back and used the cut-off elasticy end of a sock to help keep it clean. It was just elastic enough to stay on without being tight at all. He managed to slip out of it now and then but for the most part it stayed on.

That sounds good, I was going to say neosporin also, it is a bit greasy, but it would keep out the debris. when my homer was wounded by a hawk, I cleaned him with nolvasan, which is perfect for soft tissues, and then put neo on it, it worked very well, but he was on baytril also, so he may need antibiotic for secondary infections, can you go to the vet?

[ceren]

perhaps you could use newskin, aka liquid bandages?