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Baby Pigeon attacked by Crows Jeeeeeeeeze.....a fellow called, said he had a Baby Mocking Bird who was hurt, I say, "Can you bring him over?" He says, yes...so... He gets here, it is a Baby Pigeon, maybe 12 or 14 days old, and he mentions then he had saved it from some Crows that were attacking it. This had happenned earlier today in california, and he saved the little thing and brought it with him after fialing to find anyone in phone calls in California to take it...so, since he was comeing here, he got back on the phone once he was here...golly, cool fellow to have done that... Man, poor little thing...all the feathers pulled out of it's head...eyes were swollen and shut, blood everywhere, back all bloody, legs seem okay...over all a plump and healthy looking Baby... Beak Nubs missing ( will these grow back ??? ) and...if I ever heard a Pigeon or youngster crying, this was it...for 30 minutes he was just making these plaintive little sobbing sounds... I Neosporined all the booboos, put the Eye version onto his closed lids...set him in a little Box on a little rollded pair of towells, and left him be for an hour. He seemed quite warm on his own and it is a mild day here. Just checked on him and his eyes are open and seem allright. Head is bumpy and very swollen...yellow poo, so...dunno on that but will check his throat in a little while... He seems to have quieted down and he can hear the other Pigeons here in the office moo-ing and so on, so...I think he is feeling a little better. Thank God his Eyes seem allright... Be feed time soon...his crop had food in it still from earlier in his day when still attended by momma and poppa I guess. I will wait for it to be empty and or for him to express some interestes in eating...but at some point I will likely see if I can get him to drink, and have some meds in it to address how there may have been some bacteria getting started from the injuries. Fellow said 'Crows' but I do not know of course what sort of Birds attacked this little one... I will put him on some tetracycline unless other advices occur to any of you to recommend... Oh golly...his mood is one of really having been through hell... Phil Las Vegas 
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Hi Phil,
I'm no old pro here, but would just suggest that you might want a broad spectrum anti-biotic for the wound such as Baytril or Amoxycillin--something that treats aerobic bacteria. Amoxycillin is more broad spectrum, but they are both listed for wounds. I'm not sure about the Tetracyclin. Maybe you could look up here and see what it's action is. Guess pijie fell in some good hands. How amazing that it was hand delivered to you from California. Surreal........... Best, fp Last edited by feralpigeon; 1st May 2005 at 09:51 PM.
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Hi fp,
Thanks...I will figure to use the 'Batryl' here in a little while then. He has just elected to be standing up now and looking around from his little Box on my Desk...I had a large size envelope over the top of it, and just saw the envelope bobbing so I removed it and he is in a mood to stand and be looking at things. Box is six inches high, no top... Oh man his little head is so swollen 'wide' and lumpy... It used to be all I did have was some Oxytetracycline, so...now that I have other meds... Anyway, I just wanted to let him rest and have some quiet and to listen to the other Pigeons in here for a while before I tried giving him anything. His crop is still semi-full, so...maybe once he was attacked, he ceased processing his food from the previous parent feeding... I do not know who the fellow who brought him got my number from since the all night place is only open at night, and, has supposedly removed my number from their wall anyway...so...hmmmm...and well, of course I am glad he found me! Ohhhhh, big sigh... His Beak-top injury is so painful to look at...the little fleshy 'nubs' are missing, torn off by 'Crows' I guess...but I am so glad his eyes are allright,, and he is looking at things standing not a foot from the keyboard as I type. In fact, he just did one of those (wobbley, but did it) one foot standing wing and other foot stretches...then sat back down...so...golly... Crop feels a little on the 'firm' side, but this one is too young to drink from a small cup yet with no prior practice, but I will try...that and or some way soupy lite chow-water if he will elect to eat in their usual way, he seemed to be thinking about it as I was preening lightly and making "cone and eat!" Pigeon sounds to him... ...the night is young... Phil el ve
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Not Baytril on a pigeon that young Phil.
 It has an adverse effect of bone development and should only be used when there is no alternative like in severe cases of paratyphoid or salmonellosis. Clavamox should be okay. Poor baby, he should make a quick recovery in your care. I had a badly torn up wood pigeon nestling last year, he developed slow crop and the vet told me that was a common occurence after cat injuries, the crop exit swells. The same is probably true for any injury. He prescribed carnidazole(spartrix) and metronidazole(Flagyl) to be used concurrently, but I think that was because he didn't have Nystatin in stock. Once he was able to give me some Nystatin the baby made a full recovery. Cynthia
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Thanks Cynthia, for the correction on the Baytril. I forgot about the bone
development, and that's a big one. Good to know about the slow crop. I have wondered about the slow crop and Nystatin, would the cider vinegar also treat that or would the strength of the solution be simply too much so as to be unpleasant? It is recomended for external yeast, and I've used it successfully in that capacity--humans that is. Thanks, fp
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Hi fp,
The warning about the Baytril is another one of Helen's "gems" that I stored. I think that cider vinegar in the drinking water is usually used to prevent yeast infection and sometimes to treat it...I hope that it is effective because I have just taken in a white pigeon that is emaciated and not eating much but I can't establish exactly what it wrong with it. I suspect yeast infection or a virus and will take it to the vet and try to get some Nystatin, unfortunately the vet doesn't keep a stock so he will have to order it. I have just put a drop of cider vinegar in water and tubed it into her crop in the hope that it will help correct whatever is wrong. This is the third pigeon with similar symptoms that has been found in that particular flock. One died and the vet euthanased the other one.  Cynthia
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Good choice Cynthia!
I'm sure you know the pro-biotics is the next step the day after the ACV. The ACV will kill off any bad bacteria, and the probiotics for at least 2 days will give back the good gut bacteria, essential for proper digestion and immune support. Treesa
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Hi Cynthia, all...
Thank you...! I do not have any 'clavamox'...nor 'amoxycillin', so... What would some other good choices be do you s'pose? I do have Pennicillin, Oxytetracycline, and Chlorotetricycline...and some various sulfas of course... Otherwise...Baby is active and standing, has done some stratches...is alert and (obviously still hurting, but in good spirits ) their crop is about half full and 'firm'. I did get about 3 ccs of Batryl-water a drop at a time into the side of their Beak, which loosened their crop's firmness somewhat last night. The Beak and face and head are so tender looking I did not have the heart to pry their Beak open to tube in some Liquid into their crop directly, but, I will do so as soon as I decide what med to add to the Water. Or I may just do so with plain water and do some meds later when they may wish to start eating. So far, since they are not hungry yet, there have been no particular responses to my invitations... Some areas of swelling have gone down a little from last night...eyes are clear with swollen surrounds... Phil Las Vegas Last edited by pdpbison; 2nd May 2005 at 11:41 AM.
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Penicillin is fine to use, I would start it right away.
Reti
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Thanks Reti,
Was wishing to get some liquid into the little one, and, useing plain good water, I realized in gently opening his beak, that the top Beak has lost so much of it's center 'bridge' area next to his face, that it does not 'hinge' normally but instead is bending from the remaining side elements of it's connection there. So....(shudder ) I elected to continue to do the drop-at-a-time into the side of his lower Beak...and, to be tempting him to drink from a tiny shot-glass, which he so far does not wish to do...but the little drops into his lip, have so far kept the Crop's contents reasonably loose... Damn... Poor little Beak... This is a Pigeon kind whose Beak is rather short...usually, at this age, the Beaks I have had were much larger, this one, is rather diminutive. Any ideas as for what to do here? I wanted to check his throat oweing to the 'yellow' poos...but I do not dare now...so, I dissolved a Spartrix into the small amount of Water i intend for him to get into him this afternoon... I will start the pennicilin... Phil Las Vegas Last edited by pdpbison; 2nd May 2005 at 03:28 PM.
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I've been using a water and vinegar solution for decades to treat yeast infections on myself and others. Some of the doctor's @ Kaiser (HMO) and most of the visiting nurses I've met as well, will recommend it. The natural medicine books will recommend 2 Tbls. per gallon, externally, the pigeon recommendation internally is 1 Tblsp. per gallon as I'm sure you know. The Doctor's will otherwise prescribe Nystatin in powder form for yeast based diaper rash. In a solution for Thrush. What I don't know is how successful Vinegar would be internally in an enclosed moisture system with all the right conditions for the yeast to take hold after an imbalance has occured allowing the yeast condition to take hold. I also don't know if the 1 Tblsp. per gallon w/be enuf, or how often. Externally on a severe yeast based diaper rash, I've been instructed to wash w/the water vinegar (for others, not in the diapers yet ) as often as 5 times a day. If it doesn't correct it, I would think it would at least hold it @ bay until your Nystatin comes through. Cynthia, they do carry the Nystatin (Medpet)@ Jedd's for Candida. Also, acidified copper sulfate they claim cures crop fungus and the Nolvasan Solution makes claims of working against 60 different bacteria,, fungi, yeasts and viruses. If it is for sure candida, I would want the Nystatin of the three products. If this is what is the problem in that flock, I never realized that an internal yeast infection could eventually be fatal. I know you'll be on the heels of this problem until you track it down and help this flock of pijies, and lucky they are to have you as their advocate. fp
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OOooooooooo...well...
Little Bub is doing quite well all tolled...been quite the little preener, what with being in that 'Sea Urchin' stage anyway... Crop has not emptied yet but was really VERY full, much fuller than I had initially thought, likely of Seeds which had not in fact hydrated very much...endless small poops of decent enough central green-brown but with dabs of bright yellow liquid attending. The injury on his upper Beak still has me not wishing to open it for tube feeds ( tube Waters more like it) so... We been doing the more tedious drop-at-a-time from a soft short Catheter on a syringe, of Water with spartrix and Pennicillin...this about five times a-day, of maybe 3 or 4 mL each time, and the Crop has been kept tolerably 'mushy'...I have been doing Crop Massages each time to distribute the Water to the whatever is in there of contents, and he seems to like me doing that. He is standing well, walks decently, and stretches out his wing or leg, one side or the other, often... Head still swollen but not as bad as previously...he has a few punctures in his scalp which had triangulat flaps which look like they are starting to no longer ooze...been putting Neosporin on his head. I put a dab on my finger tip and gently blot it on there and he seems to find that agreeable and has not squirmed or moved when I am doing it...so... Golly... Hope that Crop emties soon...but then too, shall be the challange of how to feed him! He was a-l-m-o-s-t asking me TO feed him this morning, with some tentative peeps and Beak nuzzles... Has become increasingly tolerant of the drop-at-a-time into the side of his Beak, and often stops to preen as we are doing it. THen after preening a moment of two he stands still for s few more 'drops'... Any ideas on what I could do to encourage healing of the area on his top Beak next to his face, where, appearently, the 'Crows' had removed his waddles and some of the center 'bridge' which is most of the girder for the Beaks strength...? He yawns well and seems able to preen...but I dare not risk breaking or straining so fragile a remaining connection of his upper Beak for any tube feeds, and he is way too young to eat on his own yet...so we shall see...I can only hope that after his Crop empties, that he will learn to drink and to peck 'soon' thereafter! Thanks all... Love, Phil Las Vegas Last edited by pdpbison; 3rd May 2005 at 01:04 PM.
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Last night, with just me talking to him about trying it, he very tentatively, slowly, put his little injured Beak into a shot glass of water-meds, and drank tiny sips...then, did it again. This REALLY did the needed Hydration for his Crops' contents, even though they are slowly going down, they then became nice and slushy-mushy.
Same thing today, he will not do it if I am holding the Shot Glass high, but if it is sitting low, he leans way over stretching his neck out, and gently puts his Beak into it and takes these tiny sips...nice mushy crop now...and we are both very happy. He is 'preening' all the time but with the Beak the way it is, it is not actual preening and there is no detritus resulting, but, he is trying to preen anyway... Starting to make little 'Peep!' sounds and Beak nuzzles, but I do not think could eat very well yet, but we shall soon try regardless. , with some nutritive 'soups' that would be drinkable. I have never seen so young a Bird drink by themselves before...I am very impressed. I had been taking up small amounts of the med-water in a syringe to dribble it into the side of his Beak, and, it seems he simply deduced the Water being more attractively available in the Glass itself. What a little champ! Phil el ve
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Phil,
I am so glad this little guy is doing so good. I don't know what you could do about the beak, I guess just let it heal by itself. Some extra calcium might help. Also you could give him a thin formula to drink from the shot glass. Thanks for the updates. Reti
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Hi Reti,
Way up above, I meant to say point-three ( .3 ) or .4 mL ...of Beak dribble Water, Lol... Sigh...I was thinking of considering a prosthetic augmentation of the missing 'bridge' which gives the upper Beak it's rigidity, but then I am worried about that interfereing with that area filling in or healing and filling in...IF in fact it will heal and fill in. Any ideas anyone on how to encourage healing in that area, where, some of the actual structure of the upper Beak itself, is missing? As well as the little waddles being gone? I made some images, http://community.webshots.com/script...3400&ran=25355 First image he was doing a little 'Angel shrug stretch' they all do at times...otherwise, a tall standing little Bird... Skin of scalp and back areas are healing nicely without signs of infection, eyes are good....some head swelling remains, but nothing like what it was initially...disposition very good...head looks 'damp' from Neosporin. Totally a little sweetie, and very bright. Did some Wing excercise for a few seconds...nice and even and strong... Thanks all... Phil sleepy, in Las Vegas... Last edited by pdpbison; 5th May 2005 at 02:58 AM.
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