Chronic Form - Paratyphoid - HELP!

[M Kurps]

Don't give the bird yogurt, yogurt is a probiotic and probiotics shouldn't be given the same time as antibiotic.

[Msfreebird]

Originally Posted by M Kurps

Don't give the bird yogurt, yogurt is a probiotic and probiotics shouldn't be given the same time as antibiotic.

That's what I thought, so I'm holding off on that.
I also took away his acv water. I'm keeping a pinch of salt and sugar in his water.
What is Nystaten used for?

[starlinglover95]

Originally Posted by Msfreebird

I've had him on clavamox for the past 2 weeks. *Should I change to Baytril?

Baytril is probably best. And if you keep some on hand all the time if one of them get attacked by like a dog, cat, or hawk that will do really well. I haven't really used Baytril that often (I had it once last year to take care of an injured Starling, and we got a baby cardinal that had been "chewed by gracie's cat" and no vets were open so I used it on him too)

[M Kurps]

I don't know about Nystaten. Your doing good,I have never tried salt and sugar, I would suggest vitamins. However if the bird is responding well to your treatment keep it up.

[Msfreebird]

Originally Posted by starlinglover95

Baytril is probably best. And if you keep some on hand all the time if one of them get attacked by like a dog, cat, or hawk that will do really well. I haven't really used Baytril that often (I had it once last year to take care of an injured Starling, and we got a baby cardinal that had been "chewed by gracie's cat" and no vets were open so I used it on him too)

He's been on Baytril for a week now, but his health has declined this past week. Metronidizole was added yesterday and I've already noticed a "slight" improvement. I really don't think Baytril is doing anything for him, but I am going to keep him on it for the duration in case this bacteria is just being stubborn.
I do think the metro is doing something though.......I'm sitting next to him watching him eat (his whole wheat bread) and he just walked over to the other side and got a huge drink of water! This is the first time I've seen him take a drink ALL WEEK!

[Trees Gray]

I would put this bird thru a good detox once he is done with all the meds, especially of the liver, you can do this by sprinkling a little milk thistle freshly crushed over the seed daily, and Reishi can also be given.

Do this for several months. Make sure to also give the bird the usual probiotics then too.

I would find a good holistic avian vet or rehabber for help if possible.

[Msfreebird]

Originally Posted by M Kurps

I don't know about Nystaten. Your doing good,I have never tried salt and sugar, I would suggest vitamins. However if the bird is responding well to your treatment keep it up.

I know your not suppose to use probiotics while on antibiotics, but can you give vitamins while on antibiotics? I don't typically give my birds "vitamins".
This is SOOO frustrating--that I work for a vet, but yet I'm on my own. The hospital I work at does not do avian. I also have access to VIN (veterinary info network) and that isn't even any help - its 500 vets with 500 contradictions!

[Msfreebird]

Originally Posted by Trees Gray

I would put this bird thru a good detox once he is done with all the meds, especially of the liver, you can do this by sprinkling a little milk thistle freshly crushed over the seed daily, and Reishi can also be given.

Do this for several months. Make sure to also give the bird the usual probiotics then too.

I would find a good holistic avian vet or rehabber for help if possible.

If we get that far, I will do that.
I'm familiar with milk thistle, but not with Reishi - can I find that at the health food store?
As far as a good holistic vet or rehabber - does not exist in my area. Believe me! I have tried to find one.
I have to rely on the help I receive here on PT.

[spirit wings]

nystatin is an anti fungal, it is good to give as some of these can get large in numbers when a abirds is down and on antibios for a long period. your doing your best. it is hard when you got to try to figure things out yourself.

[M Kurps]

Originally Posted by Msfreebird

I know your not suppose to use probiotics while on antibiotics, but can you give vitamins while on antibiotics? I don't typically give my birds "vitamins".
This is SOOO frustrating--that I work for a vet, but yet I'm on my own. The hospital I work at does not do avian. I also have access to VIN (veterinary info network) and that isn't even any help - its 500 vets with 500 contradictions!

I would use an electrolyte with vitamins like Foy's item #622 $5.25 for 8 oz. bag. But you may want to get a second or third opinion on using with antibiotic. Call the Vet and ask.

[M Kurps]

Msfreebird try www.nepigeonsupplies.com they are located in Ct. may be better for you since you are in Maine.

[Trees Gray]

Originally Posted by Msfreebird

If we get that far, I will do that.
I'm familiar with milk thistle, but not with Reishi - can I find that at the health food store?

Here is the one I use, you can twist open the cap and put a little on the seed, but I haven't tried it that way. You may find something comparable in a health food store, but this one is the best. This one was recommended to me by a certified nutritionist/biologist.

http://www.healthbeyondhype.com/reis...FSEFswodJBU0qA

[plamenh]

If you work for the vet then this may be helpful:
Chloramphenicol (Chloromycetin®)
Chloramphenicol is an antibiotic used in dogs and cats. Chloramphenicol inhibits bacteria by suppressing growth. It is effective against a broad range of bacteria and also may be effective against some one-celled pathogenic organisms (protozoa).

Chloramphenicol is a prescription drug and can only be obtained from a veterinarian or by prescription from a veterinarian

[Msfreebird]

Originally Posted by plamenh

If you work for the vet then this may be helpful:
Chloramphenicol (Chloromycetin®)
Chloramphenicol is an antibiotic used in dogs and cats. Chloramphenicol inhibits bacteria by suppressing growth. It is effective against a broad range of bacteria and also may be effective against some one-celled pathogenic organisms (protozoa).

Chloramphenicol is a prescription drug and can only be obtained from a veterinarian or by prescription from a veterinarian

Thank you plamenh, when you first mentioned this drug I did check into getting it but was told that it was an outdated drug and that there were far more effective drugs available now and I kept getting directed to Baytril
I was also told that it was a difficult drug to find now for that reason. So I really am checking out all advise that is given to me, but I run into a brick wall at this end

[Msfreebird]

Originally Posted by Trees Gray

Here is the one I use, you can twist open the cap and put a little on the seed, but I haven't tried it that way. You may find something comparable in a health food store, but this one is the best. This one was recommended to me by a certified nutritionist/biologist.

http://www.healthbeyondhype.com/reis...FSEFswodJBU0qA

Thank you, I'll get right on that. I have 2 huge herb and health food stores within 1 mile, if they don't have it, I'll order some.