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Posted 3rd November 2008, 07:11 AM
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I finally did what I think was my first successful fecal float yesterday and thought I'd post a picture for confirmation.

Red arrow looks like a roundworm egg; blue arrow looks like a coccidia oocyst? Is the other "stuff" debris??

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hey the blue arrow from the shape of it may look like Eimeria, but at that magnification is hard to say , at least for me.
The red arrow looks more like Ascaridia spiecies to me. I always go for better magnification.I m not that good on 45 or 10 I always go on 100. I m not that good period...LOL
That is why i always double check with vet.
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It's hard to tell for sure, a little blurry for my eyes. The small one (blue) does look like coccidia, but the larger one doesn't look like roundworm (unless I'm just use to looking at cat and dog roundworm - which they are a little different and I don't have a chart at home for the others) It looks too oval. Looks like (dog or cat) tapeworm egg, which you only see if they are shedding eggs at the time.
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See from that pic there is hard for me to see, if the thing there has or not double wall, as Ascaridia does, but from the shape of it I still think it is Ascaridia. Without the double wall , the next thing would be a Ornithostrongylus species. And cant be a tape worm , as you dont see 1. outer membrane
2.even after the outer membrane broken, i cant see the hooks3.the inside of the egg looks different to me also 4.shape

I actually do like that tread, if only supplied pictures would be of a good contrast and then we would have some specialist here to teach us. Then we all could gain from it.

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Yep: Roundworm of some kind on the red; Coccidial oocyst on the blue; debris and pollens on the others. Species don't really matter much here as individual treatments will probably be the same for each bogey within its type (wormer for the one; anti-coccidial for the other). Although... you wouldn't usually treat for Coccidiosis without seeing a bunch of them.

Congratulations on the successful float, by the way.

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I look at fecals all day at work. Like I said, it could be a roundworm - just not the type I'm use to seeing in dogs and cats. It could be a large roundworm that is mostly found in poultry. There's 3 or 4 different types of roundworms. The reason I said tapeworm is because it looks like what we see in a dog or cat. Oval with opaque edge with multiple nuclei in the center. Roundworm eggs have a double (darker) edge with a single nuclei.
Your right, its hard to say for sure because it looks blurry to me (even with my glasses on) lol
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Thanks Pidgy! Guess it doesn't matter what type - there treated the same way!
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PS species do matter, cause how else you going to learn the differences between them. I know , what you meant, by saying same treatment applies and that is true.
What i meant for this type of a tread as a learning process for us all ,would be a good quality pics , if we have here somebody , who could demonstrate for all of us the differences not only between the types of the parasites, but also the differences between the species. Would`t that be a nice and educational project for the rest of us or what.??And i dont mean us coming with the pics and guessing about them. I mean somebody with the knowledge and supply of the pictures, so then we have one educational tread about it as a sticky. Do we have somebody like that here??

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Well, you don't treat roundworms with the same wormer as you would for a tapeworm. We don't see tapeworms in pigeons that often, though, thank goodness. Anyhow, that little nasty there should be gotten with our more normal wormers like Ivomec, Fenbendazole (which we'd prefer not to use, frankly) and several other pigeon-racer marketed wormers with trade names. Usually the poster might have access to a specific one and so posts--then we all hash it out. Jenfer's likely to have some and know what to do from here on out on her own so we're mostly just blabbing now.

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PS species do matter, cause how else you going to learn the differences between them. I know , what you meant, by saying same treatment applies and that is true.
What i meant for this type of a tread as a learning process for us all ,would be a good quality pics , if we have here somebody , who could demonstrate for all of us the differences not only between the types of the parasites, but also the differences between the species. Would`t that be a nice and educational project for the rest of us or what.??And i dont mean us coming with the pics and guessing about them. I mean somebody with the knowledge and supply of the pictures, so then we have one educational tread about it as a sticky. Do we have somebody like that here??

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Add pictures to this one:

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Capillaria:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...73664377AryCyR



(which that worm egg above isn't, by the way)

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very nice tread. I dont have any pics to add to that tread.
And on the tread you supplied I dont see many of the pics of the parasites either, unless I dont see additional link besides those, what that was, 4 links there.

So how that tread is helpful?? Could you enlighten me??
Did You meant send any questionable pics to that tread??
Pidgey this is not , what i meant.I meant for us to go so sticky, where there would be all possible pictures of the parasites available, so people with microscopes, could go there just to confirm, if you like: "their suspisions", or to learn, period.

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Well, you don't treat roundworms with the same wormer as you would for a tapeworm. We don't see tapeworms in pigeons that often, though, thank goodness. Anyhow, that little nasty there should be gotten with our more normal wormers like Ivomec, Fenbendazole (which we'd prefer not to use, frankly) and several other pigeon-racer marketed wormers with trade names. Usually the poster might have access to a specific one and so posts--then we all hash it out. Jenfer's likely to have some and know what to do from here on out on her own so we're mostly just blabbing now.

At least... I am!

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Oh, I know. I meant that all roundworms are treated the same. We don't see alot of tapeworm eggs in dog and cat feces either, only if the adult is shedding eggs at the time.
The only reason I stressed the different types of roundworms is because: last year when Henri was sick, I took a sample to work to check. There was this "strange" looking egg that no one could positively identify. So we sent it out to the lab. It turned out to be coccidia, but not any coccidia that we where use to seeing and it wasn't even on the charts we had. Thats why I sometimes need help with bird droppings , because the eggs don't resemble what you see in dogs and cats.
Now I'm babbling -
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I'm okay with turning a thread into a Tower of Babble!

I'm not saying that that other thread is helpful, but it'd be a logical place to start stacking parasite pics. I'd get to it myself if I'd taken many of the right kind. I've seen a bunch of the same basic eggs as shown in Jenfer's picture above and have successfully treated them, usually with either Levamisole or Fenbendazole depending on the bird's condition. They're usually a cross between rectangular and oval in shape with no operculum like is seen on the capillaria egg. Capillaria are decidedly lime-colored, too.

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Thank You Pidgey for that explanation. Now I do understand, why You were hesitant about it. I never go to read the old posts from months before, maybe if I did , I would not ask You to repeat your stuff in another tread.

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