Gassy Crop

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The brimingham roller is a smaller breed. She is 3-4 mos. May have made a mistake on weight. She weighs the same as 2 oz of water. I forgot water may weigh more. She has had 2 doses of nystatin. Was feed at 9:00 pm. This whole sickness thing takes it toll on me and the bird. She sure is a fighter.

[pdpbison]

Hi Debbie,


Yahhhhh...I know well what you mean on how their being sick can take quite a lot out of you.

Weight of Water in Grammes, or weight of Bird in grammes, would still be the same, unless you mean she weighs the same as "2 Fluid Ounces" as Volume, of Water...in which case, my tired brain just gave up...!

Lol...

But hold on...I will check something...I'll be right back...

Okay, I just weighed 2 Fluid Ounces of Water, and, according to my gram Scale, Two Fluid Ounces of Water weigh just about 50 Grams...


So, hmmmmmmm...

That seems awefully light...! We thought 100 grams was 'light' and now 50 seems way too light, so...

I hope she weighs more than that...!


Oh my...

But anyway, your feeding method for now?


Will it pass small solids?


Phil

Las Vegas

[Pidgey]

Debbie,

You can get an adequate 1-pound scale at a big grocery store for less than $10 (or around that). They're all plastic but they work. They usually read in grams as well. They're just so doggone helpful in this stuff that it's worth the investment.

Anyhow, you might try to get a more accurate weight on that fellow and readjust that medication upward. Shooting from the hip, I'd tend to double it.

Pidgey

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I'll pick one of those scales when I am shopping today. Another dose of med today. I'll feed her when I get home from church.

[feralpigeon]

Hi Debbie,

Think I'd dose @ least twice a day w/the Nystatin since you are not dusting seed and leaving out for the bird but instead hand feeding.

fp

[Pidgey]

Yeah, according to the instructions it's from two to four times per day. By the way, how is the little guy doing at this point?

Pidgey

[feralpigeon]

Yup, the docs have told me it's the frequency that is important. In most instances, they will say 4x's a day min. although the Medpet says twice.

fp

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the bird is starting to pick at seeds.

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Another dose. Crop still gassy. Will feed in 30 min.

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when I give the Roller meds or Feedings they come back out of it's mouth. Slimmy like mucus. She looks like she is shaking her head and spits alot of what is in her crop up. The food is getting all over her. It dries and I pick it off of her. Drank some water, but not eatting. What do you think might be happening?

[Pidgey]

Too many things to count without running some real tests. If it were me, I'd use a swab down the throat to do a couple of slides--simple smear and one stained. AND a fecal float. I expect your vet would have to do that. Otherwise, you're going to be shooting in the dark. Could be just Candidiasis (bad one) or could be a combination of things like worms in the stomach/intestines with the other. There may even be some bacterial overgrowth in the crop. One thing's for sure--she ain't gonna' last long if she can't keep enough food down to live.

Pidgey

[feralpigeon]

Debbie, how many times per day is the bird getting the Nystatin? Was there enough to give for a full 5 days? Do you think there is any change at all in the bird's symptoms after being on the Nystatin?

fp

[pdpbison]

Hi Debbie,


The viscious circle with Candida, at least as far as I understand it...is that it will interfere with Crop function and with food passing from the Crop to the Stomach...

It interferes with the Stomach function, to slow or prevent food passing from the Stomach to the Gizzard...so that sometimes little food is actually getting through at all...

This of course is especially inconvenient for a Bird who is already 'thin' or light.

I have let them fast three days or four, giving them just the ACV-Water...and waiting for an empty Crop...(since when I get them, usually their Crop is half full of sodden low hanging spoiled Seeds or Seed-slosh, that I either have to get out of there, or wait till it all passes) so as to let things have some chance to clear up without food interfereing with the ACV-Water and or Nystatin concurrantly, for these medicinals getting to have good access to the lineings of their Crop and Stomach and Gizzard and so on...


Now, I do not know of course if Candida is the sole culprit here with your Bird, but, it might be the predominate one doing the most mischief, while other Yeasts or something are opportuning also in it's wake...possibly all they way up into his throat or esophagus, if there is mucous there interfereing with his swallowing the food which is being given.

But at any rate, my own mental model of Candida, suggests that food, formula food especially, will interfere with the necessary availibility of the Crop and Stomach lineings, for them to be available to the ACV-Water and or Nystatin or both, and, that this is something to bear in mind then with respect to feeding.

Is their Crop emptying between feed-times?

And, or also...are they pooping more or less an amount to suggest that the food is getting through?

I have thought of trying ( for Candida and other things, as a dietary/energy/aide, ) some of those 'energy booster' things they sell at 7-11 and so on...the ones for a dollar in the little racks by the clerk.

Some of these sound very promiseing..being low Caffine, and having quite decent mixes of various Vitamines and Minerals and Ginseng...

Being a liquid, they would not tend to 'coat' any interior surfaces of Esophagus, Crop or Stomach ( like powdered formulas, especially maybe, can be imagined to do)...and...might just perk a listless Bird 'up' a little bit...

If the Bird is pooping somewhat, maybe (small amounts a few times a day, of small sized Seeds given as) 'Seed-Pops' might be better for food for now, than the formula-mixes, oweing to their respective differences in physical texture...where, the Seeds will stay 'Seeds', hydrating merely, then digesting into softness and blobs I imagine, untill passing the Gizzard after their Stomach...instead of being a potentially semi-sticky or coating paste all the way from the get-go on down...or becomeing such as the Water in it gets carried off, where then, it can become somewhat viscous or Water resistant...and, in theory, harder to digest than Seeds themselves might have been...


Too, and maybe Pidgey can offer some conjecture here...possibly s-o-m-e use of Metronidazole might stimulate ancillary immune functions and intestinal vitality, which could be useful to the Bird for occasions of Canndida...but, this is just a speculation, and I have not tried it or read anything about it in this context.


Wishing them a turn for the better!

Phil
Las Vegas

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I had thought noone was anwsering me. I have been so absent minded that I didn't think to go to the next page. She has been taking water. She looks bad.

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Meds given 3 to 4 xs a day. Still have more meds left.