Gassy Crop

[upcd]

I have a Brimingham Roller who had a wing boil. It was treated for a month with baytril injectable. Then given Probotics and Vitimins in the water. Now her crop fills up with gas. I squeeze the gas out. With the gas she fells no need to eat or drink. So I am tube feeding her Kaytee Babyfood. She is in the house on a heating pad. She tries to throw the gas up. But it doesn't work. Any ideas?

[Birdmom4ever]

That poor bird. Debbie, I'm stumped on this one. The Baytril should have cleared up the salmonella by now. Did the wing boil resolve? Does her breath smell sour? The only thing I can think of is sour crop, but I haven't heard of it causing gas. It could be she developed a yeast infection in her crop after being on Baytril. Hopefully someone will be along soon who has seen this problem. Any chance you can get her to an avian vet?

[feralpigeon]

Originally Posted by Birdmom4ever

.... It could be she developed a yeast infection in her crop after being on Baytril. ....... Any chance you can get her to an avian vet?

UPCD, I'm sorry to hear that your Roller has continued problems after the Baytil.
Do you have any Nystatin on hand? If you you plan to take the bird to a vet,
I'm sure he'll run tests for you to be certain.

If not, have you looked inside the mouth for a visual check? Sometimes they can also have some whitish looking buttons/growth that would also be a sign of Thrush. Also, you can sometimes smell a distintive difference in the poop as well. It would seem reasonable that it is a yeast based infection after a month of antibiotics.

You could put ACV in the water for now and overnight from Jedd's a product from Medpet called Medistatin, this would be Nystatin. Also, give her capsulized probiotics down the throat. It's good that you are making sure that she is feeding.

Hope the pij feels better soon,

fp

[upcd]

I have Medizole, fishzole, Tony's treasure it is a 4 in 1, amoxicillin, terramycim, probotics, vitimins and eletrolytes, dioxi. I could check with Rena. Maybe she has some. Looked at birds throat pinky gray. no dots or whiteness. No bad ordor. Green pooh.

[upcd]

I put ACV in the water. Went to Jedds they are out of stock.

[pdpbison]

Hi upcd,



The occasions of my seeing a Gassy Crop have been oweing to the Bird having Candida.

While, Nystatin or others are the official remedy, those Birds I have had who had it, the condition resolved nicely with the use merely of the ACV-Water, and me letting them fast a few days or more.


If they do not show interest in drinking, then, of course, one must tube feed the ACV-Water into their Crop for them...

In these situations, I elected to make the concentration to be one-and-one-half or even Two Tablespoons to the Gallon of Water for this...at least for the first few or several days, than a little more dilute after, being more toward the 1-1/2 to the Gallon ratio for another week thereabouts.


If the Bird was allright to do without food for some days, was heavy enough one might say or filled out enough, I felt that not feeding was fine...and that fasting would in fact benifit by not taxing an already largely shut-down digestive system...so, really, even in rather 'thin' ones, I have tended to let them fast, and not fed them for at least three days.

The Candida in my experience seemed to resolve in about five days or six, or resolved enough to where they'd start feeling good again and be pecking and preening, or if youngsters, then, in their asking to be fed.

The Birds I have had who had this either had eaten some foreign object which needed to be expelled or removed from their Crop, or, were youngsters who as orphans seperated from their parents, had gotten chilled while their Crops were still parent-fed-full and the food went sour in there leaving a Candida Crop still 'full'...even after days...or injured or contused Pigeons sometimes also, falls from the nest even...or who knows what with Adults, where the shock of injury or collision they had been through had maybe slowed or ceased their digestive system to where the food in it , in their Crop, had spoiled in place...or maybe they ate some spoiled musty food in desperation or something...and got it going that way.

Anyway, I have been pleased with the ACV-Water for Candida Crops or Gassy Crops or Crop Stasis.

I do not know if there are other conditions which can make for a Gassy Crop or Crop stasis, but, any Vet or MD should be able to do a Crop swab and examine it for analysis, and with that test, Candida is an easy one to verify if it is the culprit.

I treat for Candida if a Crop is not emptying after a couple days with new arrives, or, if it seems inflated or Gassy or sodden and 'low' looking, or if it seems sodden and not emptying fully even if they are pooping, especially if the Pigeon has no appetite, which with Candida, I think is to be expected...it makes them feel pretty miserable I think...and they can look droopy or listless...or depressed.

If they want to eat, I let them, but only small amounts untill I am sure their Crop is emptying well and their digestive system overall is dealing with food well enough.

I have seen them get their appetites back, over eat, and even though the Candida is probably about done with, their Crops can then, again, if in a slightly new way, take way too long to empty...so...I let them eat in small amounts for a little while once well enough to be interested...


Good luck...!

P.S.

I learned about this just after joining Pigeon Talk, and soon thereafter got in various Pigeon Birds who had it.

I am very grateful to whoever those members were that guided me both to the use of the ACV-Water in general, as well as whoever it was who had suggested it as a possible regimen for Candida.

When I did talk with my good-guy Avian Vet about useing the ACV-Water for this, he thought about it a minute, said he had never heard of it being used for Candida, but then said he imagined it would likely work very well to treat it. And, while he did give me some 'Nystatin' at that time, I did not use it, but used merely the ACV-Water... and I, and the Bird, were both satisfied.


Phil
Las Vegas

[upcd]

Is thin from Baytril treatments. I went for feeding due to low weight. Hope it works. Thank you, all you mean so much to me and my babies. It is nice not to be afrad to ask for help. And know people out there won't jugde you for helping birds who get sick or injury themselves.

[Pidgey]

One of the problems in a case like that is that the yeast grows in the Kaytee a lot easier than with actual seeds so it'd be easier to resolve the Candidiasis by using Phil's "seed pops" feedings than giving it Kaytee. I don't personally have any experience at resolving Candidiasis with ACV and, frankly, don't see that one very often at all. Usually, I only see it when a very sick bird has to be fed Kaytee a lot and then I go with the Medistatin because I've got plenty.

If you're stuck feeding Kaytee and the ACV doesn't resolve it then your vet can write you a prescription for it because every pharmacy will have it on a script basis. It shouldn't be too expensive and you don't need much. It is a "contact medication" so it has to go in and make contact with the esophagus from just behind the airway down.

Pidgey

[feralpigeon]

Originally Posted by upcd

I have Medizole, fishzole, Tony's treasure it is a 4 in 1, amoxicillin, terramycim, probotics, vitimins and eletrolytes, dioxi. I could check with Rena. Maybe she has some. Looked at birds throat pinky gray. no dots or whiteness. No bad ordor. Green pooh.

Hi UPCD,

In the case of a yeast infection, you don't want to give any of the above anti-biotics, as they exacerbate the yeast overload condition. You can try Globals, they have a product that is made under their label by DAC, think it's called Glostatin.

The only other product I know of that is over the counter would be one put out
by Thomas Laboratories called Fish Fungus:

http://www.vetamerica.com/index.asp?...ory=242&Page=4

With all the birds you have, it might be good to have an anti-fungal on hand.

fp

[upcd]

I have a feed store which sells fish fungus. I go get now. What are seed poppers? After I get I'll ask about doseage.

[pdpbison]

Hi upcd, Pidgey,


Pidgey, thanks for jogging my memory, and yes, I have had juvenile Pigeons brought to me sometimes, where the person who found them had been feeding them K-T for three or four or five days by one means or another, and, sometimes these youngsters had the Gassy-Crops and Stasis which was from Candida.

I was forgetting the sometimes association there, between Candida, and when plain powder formula alone is used for feeding even the otherwise healthy Pigeon.


'Nystatin' to my recollection, while a perscription item, is inexpensive...and probably many Vets would have it in bulk where decanting a small container or little Bottle for a Bird, should be easy.

I have not seen any Beak turn 'up' to the ACV-Water, and, if anything, it seems they like it.


Phil
Las Vegas

[upcd]

I was wishing I could get it locally. But no pet or feed shop has Fish fungus. I am sure if yogourt could work naturally. That is what people use when gassy after antibotics. Any thoughts?

[Pidgey]

Candida and yeasts are funny stuff. They are included in Kaytee as part of the normal intestinal flora and fauna. It's when they overgrow that you get problems. It's almost as if there's some biochemical trigger that starts the disease process where the yeasts start budding and growing. That's when an antifungal can become very important. You might try calling up a pharmacist that you know and begging for some but have you tried the ACV yet?

Pidgey

[TAWhatley]

Hi Debbie,

See this thread for a treatment using baking soda: http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/showth...ht=baking+soda

This may help in a pinch.

Terry

[Mistifire]

Isn't it baking soda and vinegar that makes alot of foam? I remember using this to make volcanos errupt for science fair in elementary school.

Is the foam the objective or should the ACV stop being used while on the baking soda?

Sorry, I have to ask.